It's all right

I'm not interested like

I'm not

(NAME) (NAME) (NAME) (interruption) aye he's

(interruption) Into it

Right into it

Uh-huh

Course his daughter makes them

Does she?

Aye their (NAME) she makes them (pause) she knows everything about them you know if owt gans (interruption) wrong

(interruption) Aye

She can fix it straight away

Oh well (NAME) says ye cannot do no damage you know ye can gan like that as much (interruption) as you want to the keys

(interruption) Aye

Just press a button it puts itself right

He's good at computers yes (laughter) never switched it on

Right I'm going to give you them (interruption) to hold

(interruption) R- right

Just flick through if there's anything you see that you want to talk about fine go for it if not if you see anything you don't you know you'd (interruption) rather not then just move on

(interruption) Have you got the right glasses on?

Oh you're all right I can see

(cough)

Er right that's fine so first off the first this sounds like a daft question em I need you to pick a pretend name for yourselves 'cause obviously I'm going to change you names like when I

Pr- preten- n- well I

Just any I mean

I got called (NAME) at at at school

(laughter)

(laughter)

You know (NAME)'ll do me

Just er (NAME)

That's fine I mean it's just yeah when I'm if anyone's typing up or reading through just so they don't

Aye

I mean not that they'd know anyone anyway

That's right aye that's right just in case

It's ridiculous the amount of stuff you've got to

It's like secrecy isn't it?

It is makes it more exciting

(laughter)

Have I just got to pick one of these or any-

Just anyth- I mean just I mean if you see anything you want to

Talk about

Talk about

I mean I'll try and direct you like a little bit em but it's just the way we've done it in the past is like the people always start like ah I grew up you know in Castletown or wherever and went to (interruption) school there

(interruption) Aye

And moved there

Aye

Started work at sixteen or whatever so just whenever em

What about the football team?

Aye fine we can talk about that if you want

What football team do you support do you support any other sports teams do you follow them on TV how is your favourite team doing at the moment do you play any sport yourself do you think people used to play more sport (interruption) (unclear)

(interruption) Well we'll talk about the football team if you want

Well owt you like eh?

Yeah that's yeah

Aye

Right then

So you're obviously Sunderland then I take it?

(interruption) Oh aye Sunderland aye

(interruption) Oh aye aye (unclear) Sunderland that's right

(laughter)

Well I've just bought a season ticket this this season

Right

Erm (pause) I've been to a few match- well I've been to the matches that they've played this season you know up in the

Yeah yeah

And I've just bought the new Sunderland top erm

Don't I'm not a fan of the new the (interruption) new shirt

(interruption) Are you not ah right it well there's there's three different colours like there's blue white and er red and white you know

Aye

So

It's just the sponsor on the home shirt I just think it

Boyle

Aye (interruption) it doesn't look like a premiership (interruption) shirt

(interruption) Aye

(interruption) Oh no (interruption) nah that's right

(interruption) No. That's what that's what (NAME) says she says 'I don't like the shirts'

Because you're used to like er

Vaux or or

That's right Vaux

Yeah

Or er what do you call them the garage

The sh- sh- sh- the motor shop erm

Er Reg Vardy

Reg (interruption) Vardy aye

(interruption) Reg Vardy

But Lonsdale's got something to do with it now hasn't it?

It's all yeah

Is it Lonsdale?

Lonsdale yeah it is yeah

Aye right (interruption) that's right aye

(interruption) Uh-huh

But er as we were talking about home u- I think they should have a er another goal scorer you know they haven't got er

Striker they need (interruption) a they need a decent striker

(interruption) S- they need a striker you know

They've got a they've got a er a plethora of strikers like but er they're not good enough you know

No

No

You want a well named one you know what I mean

(interruption) Well they were trying to get that Meado

(interruption) I was saying you spent

But a- e- he's gone to (interruption) Middlesbrough hasn't he? So

(interruption) S- Aye

I mean he said they've said they spent twenty seven million but twenty seven million to me's just one player what Man United spend

They've spent it on about

Aye

Haven't they?

Aye

I mean you don't expect to get a good four five players for that do you?

No but e- e- the thing is I mean they've just started out haven't they you know I mean e- u- (interruption) the new s- new er

(interruption) Oh aye aye

The new s- erm consortium they've just you know they're just starting out like

They're still yeah

They've given him plenty of backing if he needs a player and it's going to cost ten million they'll give him ten million you know so er

But he seems to know what he's doing like doesn't he

Oh aye he's done pretty well up to now I mean he took them out the championship and er top of the league so you cannot wish for more than that like can ye? So hopefully er things'll improve

Yep and as we were saying if it just below mid table you know what I mean this first season should be that's good good (interruption) (unclear) isn't it

(interruption) If they survive in the (interruption) if they survive in the premiership

(interruption) That's what I said we just (interruption) need to like

(interruption) Aye

Not like bottom and not we're obviously not going to get (interruption) top but mid table

(interruption) No

(interruption) No that's and if they get keep getting the support of forty-four forty-five that's bringing more p- money into the club

Money into the club (interruption) yeah

(interruption) Just keep it there for a couple of years

That's right and they might gan out and get some of these good foreign players

Well they've got my four hundred and sixty quid for this season (laughter)

Aye that's only one isn't it?

Aye

Too expensive what I think man for a family you know what I mean?

Well it -- it -- a -- th- they cheap they're a lot cheaper than the likes of Chelsea and Arsenal and them you know th- th- they're a fortune them

Oh aye (interruption) but I'm saying

(interruption) Thousand quid a season (interruption) ticket there

(interruption) Say you

You had a family of say two boys and you took them over so you're talking about

Oh aye

Sixty seventy (interruption) quid to get in

(interruption) Seven quid aye

And there's like your break you have a drink and a sandwich you're talking about hundred quid for ninety minutes aren't you?

Easy

Aye

Well I take I take a big flask of erm Oxo with us

Yeah

Em between the three of us me and my two friends and er we div- we never buy any grub over there 'cause it's (interruption) too expensive

(interruption) Too expensive aye

Like you say it's too expensive

That's right I (interruption) mean

(interruption) So

A pint of beer they reckons two and a half quid you know what I mean

Aye it is two pound fifty (interruption) (unclear)

(interruption) But see the young'uns today that's what they're paying aren't they

That's yeah it

Down the town

When they gan down the town they expect to pay two and a half three quid

Aye you pay you pay (interruption) three quid two and a half quid for a pint

(interruption) But the likes of us when we gan we gan to the club and pay one thirty for a sham beer isn't it?

(laughter)

Aye one twenty seven I pay up the club up the comrades

In in the club where we gan on a Sunday morning (pause) I mean if we went to the town two and a half quid three quid, it's expensive isn't it for pensioners

Well I mean when I yeah it's about two fifty three pound when I go out but I'm used to I I think it's a lot but just used to (interruption) paying it

(interruption) Aye just used to paying it

(interruption) That's right aye that's it

You just dish it over

That's it aye

Because yees used to paying that aren't yous?

Yeah

Well I'm going to I'm going to York next week for a week the to the races and er we pay two pound fifty down there (interruption) two

(interruption) Aye

Two fifty two sixty for a pint down there in York so you know but we s- I save up all the year round for that

Yeah

You know so I don't mind like but er w- like going to the town down here I wouldn't go well I wouldn't be seen dead in the town anyway so (laughter) all these er the fights and that that keeps going on

For younguns man isn't it?

Keep keep out of it

Aye

And our age sixty six you're old you don't want to get into any trouble or fights and that lets have a look at them (NAME)

Not now no (pause) aye (pause) but we've been following Sunderland for years (interruption) you know what I mean?

(interruption) Oh donkeys years aye

When they were at er Roker (interruption) Park that right?

(interruption) Roker Park yeah

That's when you could mix in with away team you couldn't do that now

You couldn't do that now

Be knifed wouldn't you

Well it says do yous play any sport yourself

That's right

Says do you play any sport yourself but er not now but we used to play football at one time but er we do have a game of snooker and things you know when I go to the club I have a game of

Is that down the yeah

I have a game of snooker at the club and er (pause)

(interruption) Aye

(interruption) Aye one time we used to play more sport than they do now like

Was that just football then or was it did you do anything else?

(interruption) Fo-

(interruption) Ah that was my main thing football you know?

Football was his main thing and that I did play I did play football as well like but er not as not as much as (NAME) I mean you know and (NAME) was a good player em (pause) and what jobs have you done in your life I mean you he's a painter and decorator

I worked in the (interruption) Falkland Islands

(interruption) He worked

(interruption) went out there 'cause (unclear) there was a lack of work here

(interruption) Yeah

I had to gan out there and work

Right

And I (interruption) I

(interruption) Just after the er conflict you know?

(interruption) And I s-

(interruption) Was like ge- oh sorry

No gan on

Getting like the job ready for the troops coming out refurbishingments you know?

Yeah yeah

Good job

So were you out there for long or was it just

That was about seven month then I took bad when I was out there then (pause) I could've been still out there well I got my mate still out there he was out there about ten year (NAME)

Aye (NAME)

He died out there was only thirty nine he had a heart attack massive heart attack

(interruption) But I er

(interruption) But er was a good job

I served my time as a steel moulder at er Joblings steel foundary but that trade's dying out -- it's well died out now practically em but I've worked on a lot on the buildings and in factories you know I worked for Pyrex then I worked for Thorns Emi em I enjoyed that job like the Thorns I worked I was thirteen year there worked there thirteen year but that that closed down so I haven't worked since then

When you get older you get ill health int you? You know everything gets old

Well I've I've got diabetes and I've got a pace maker in he's had a heart attack

Last year had (pause) er stents put in you know? (pause) But you just take it as it comes now know what I mean? Everyday's a -- a bonus (laughter)

(laughter)

It is

(interruption) When you wake up in the morning

(interruption) I don't worry about nowt now mind after last (interruption) year

(interruption) No

Yeah

'Cause she didn't give me tuppence know what I mean to live I got through it and that's it just got to get on with it haven't you?

Yeah I suppose you probably like appreciate a lot more things now like

That's right a -- I -- as long as the family's happy and healthy I'm I'm happy

Yeah

I mean I take the grandson to his football he's into football and I take him to his training on a Thursday with his dad or his mother in the car and I gan to his er footballing when it starts on a S- er Saturday morning well we play through Monkton that's where he plays Monkton

Right

That side of Boldon

Yeah

Aye that's w- where he plays for team a Gateshead team he plays for Leam Rangers (pause) you know where Leam Lane is?

I do yeah yeah

Ah well they've got a the club house is at the top aye that's where he's signed for he's only eight

(laughter)

And he's just er (pause) got to get a trial for er Newcastle Academy's under eights

Right

He's just waiting to gan you know? Not to say that he's going to do owt but they've asked him to gan through for it

Yeah

And that that question there er can you tell a North East speaker when you hear one e- course you can can't ye?

It's a daft one that

Oh aye

Aye

Outstanding aren't they?

And can you tell the difference between someone from Newcastle or e- how they speak well you can because we have got a different accent from Newcastle to Sunderland

Ah but as ye say see as you saying (NAME) there's like Newcastle Gateshead is I mean there's not how many miles in between

Few mile if that

But there's there's a difference in different in speech but I cannot notice it

Well I can

I cannot

I can

Yeah I cannot

And Northumbria is Northumbria's is different dialect all together (interruption) from us

(interruption) Twang oh aye that's right

Yeah

You're only matter of talking about er few mile aren't you in between

Aye

It is yeah

And em my wife comes from Gosforth anyway she comes from Newcastle you know

Ah but she's a -- sh- she talks like us now doesn't she?

Oh now aye but er

She's been here for years you know what I mean?

But you can tell you can tell certain things (interruption) she says

(interruption) Oh aye that's right

Like like certain th- words she says

Yeah

You can tell that she comes from Newcastle

Aye

And do you ever change the way you speak no (laughter) not really

No

Unless I'm on the phone and I'm speaking to somebody politely and I put my polite voice on you know but er apart from

Well everyone I mean I do that and when I'm with like my mates my accent comes out stronger that it's

Aye aye

And what do you think of the language the young people use today terrible (laughter)

But it's just part of thing life now isn't it?

Aye

I mean the grandson he's he's got a few weeks today for the Royal Marines that's all he does is swear but he's used to being with thousands of men isn't (interruption) he? And that's all they do swear and aye

(interruption) Yeah it's what you hear yeah

Aye

Where in Sunderland were you born well I was born in Hendon

I was born in Ford Estate I lived at born in one house and I lived there for fifty seven year until I got this flat I've been there nearly ten

Right

Aye

Er I've grew up until I was ten-year-old about ten-year-old in in Hendon and then we moved to Pennywell (pause) and then I've moved since I got married I I moved back to Hendon and then I moved over to Fulwell and then from Fulwell I've moved into this place (interruption) and I've been here forty year nearly

(interruption) Moved here?

Aye

In the same house or like

I've been in this house (interruption) aye I've been in this house about forty year nearly aye

(interruption) Aye

Yep (pause)

How do you think S- Sunderland's changed s- since your childhood well there's

Oh aye

Pulling all the b- old buildings down and building new ones and (pause) God knows what's going to happen in the future (laughter)

I mean I've got I printed something off

What's (pause) well they've pulled my old house up where I lived up there

Really?

Aye it's just been pulled down in the last five weeks

Driving down actually I saw all the cranes and the diggers (interruption) and everything

(interruption) Aye well well mine was up there and it's been pulled down and and they're not as old as these and it's the same area you know what I mean? They've pulled them down but I mean they were good houses but it's people just let them gan don't they? Know what I mean? A nice house I mean if they'd could've refurbished them know what I mean but

Probably cost a lot less to refurbish them than it would (interruption) to knock down

(interruption) Aye but as you says a new council took over didn't they and decide to pull them all down Pennywell top Pennywell all down aye

That's my budgie

What were you saying about that then?

No just I print -- I mean you can't really see them they're pretty small but it's like where the Vaux used to be (interruption) what used to be

(interruption) Oh aye aye aye

What the new Vaux site

Aye

Is this what they're going to be thinking (interruption) about that's right aye

(interruption) That's what it's going to look like

Sp- supposed to be a big supermarket or something isn't it or a

Yeah

Tescos were

It was going to be a big Tescos

Aye

I mean this one it's like hotels and casinos and

That's right aye

Aye aye

Bars and stuff

Yep

Well they don't want many more bars crikey there's plenty of bars in Sunderland

That's it

There's one on every corner you know

Yeah

And they're building they're still building more er well not building they're converting more places into into pubs and nightclubs and things like that

Aye

Spend a normal day usually do my crosswords and then I go out shopping or walkabouts

Right

Aye

And em hobbies gardening em I like to go on daytrips aye out in the country I don't like the seaside (laughter)

(laughter)

Get sand in your sandwiches

Aye

So (pause) do I have any family live nearby yes my son lives at Seaburn and my daughter lives at Hersewood Road at The Barnes

Right

Do you see them often yes my daughter especially and my grandson he's never away from me my grandson (laughter)

(laughter) How old is he?

Nineteen

(laughter)

Not man

Have any of your family left Sunderland yes my sister lives in Carlisle and she's lived there for a lot of years

I was just talking to his sister the one in Carlisle at the (interruption) weekend

(interruption) Right

She's got a caravan where I've got ours you know? It's very rare we see her like isn't it?

Aye very rare we see her (interruption) (unclear)

(interruption) Course my wife's related to (NAME)

Right

Know what I mean?

Yeah

She's a full cousin but she's been brought (interruption) up with us

(interruption) Brought up with him

So sh- we class her as a sister

Yeah

You know

'Cause her mam died when she was about (interruption) eight you know?

(interruption) Her mam her mam died when she was eight year (interruption) old so

(interruption) (NAME)'s mam brought her up you know

My mother brought her up and we class her as a sister really (pause) if you could move anywhere in the world where would you go to (pause) well I like Florida I've been to Florida three times and I like that (interruption) l- I love Florida how (interruption) did you your -- your partner

(interruption) Yes

(interruption) Nah I wouldn't move nowhere

Would you not?

No (pause) no

Well we're too old now like so I I don't think I would move anywhere now

No I wouldn't move

But er if I won the lottery or something I dare say I would move like you know change my l-

Well I suppose you'd have to move (interruption) know what I mean?

(interruption) Aye

(interruption) Wouldn't you? If you won the lottery

(interruption) Yeah

If you won the

Get all begging letters and that would f- probably force you to move you know what I mean I mean that that woman that's won all them millions of quid she'll get begging letters from all over she'll be pestered you know

But she'll not move er she'll not stop there will she?

Oh no

No

She only l- lived in a flat and (pause) aye

I would gan to Scotland that's the only place I would gan Scotland

Aye Scotland's (interruption) nice

(interruption) Scotland's nice

It is nice Scotland up in the highlands

I've never been

I've got I've got relations up there

Ah right

have got a hotel up there I would gan there that's nice Scotland

Whereabouts in Scotland?

(interruption) Er

(interruption) Just side Inverness (interruption) nah they've (unclear)

(interruption) Er but they moved up moved further up aye

They've been since they've been married they've had eighteen houses

(laughter)

There's two hotels in them like

Yeah

They've had two hotels and sixteen houses and you'll never believe it they're living in a caravan now

(laughter)

They've got two houses rented out honest aye but what they do I mean they're retirement age now (pause) stop here (pause) er and help out in hotel and that and then what they do six month they gan away to Spain and France to our ideal isn't it?

That's the way to do it isn't it?

Aye that's right that's it

When your family's up like that a- and (interruption) you

(interruption) That's right is-

Know you've got the time to do it haven't you (interruption) know

(interruption) Aye that's right

If you've got the money that is you know (interruption) I mean er

(interruption) That's it

That's the big er the whole back the money

That's right

Shut up

(laughter)

But er

You'll probably get that on the mic as well (laughter) the bird chirping

Aye

It's all right

Aye

No we used to have a budgie when I was em when I was little and he didn't last long I think he only lived about five six year but

Aye

You couldn't you'd go through basically you couldn't shut him up but then you'd go for days without him saying anything

Aye

Get away aye

Then he'd just go crazy for a couple of days

We just leave his cage open all the time twenty four seven

Yeah

He comes in and gans out when he wants he flies about you know

Ours didn't leave he went like I think the first couple of months he'd never leave like around the kitchen but he'd never leave the room

No

Like he'd come in and out of his cage but he (interruption) wouldn't

(interruption) Aye he fl- (interruption) flies around here

(interruption) Aye

The odd one or -- once or twice he's flew into the dining room but he cannot get out you know he cannot get out there

Aye

He's too fat to fly really

(laughter)

He's only a year old and all

Right

Aye

Aye Sunderland's playing away tonight aren't they?

Playing at Birmingham (interruption) yes

(interruption) Aye

(interruption) I'll be listening to it on the radio

(interruption) At W- Wigan aren't they?

Do you g- get to many away games or

No no I dinnae gan now

What?

Get to w- any away games

No

I don't I -- I don't even gan over there now no

(interruption) No I've

(interruption) I've been th- three times to stadium

might go to the Newcastle or Middlesbrough

Yeah

You know the local derbys but er b- any farther than that I

No we don't (pause) like my friends have got season tickets and whenever they're away we we use (interruption) them

(interruption) Aye

(interruption) Aye

Aye

Yeah

Well my brothers I'm I'm going away next week to to York for a week and on the Saturday n- I'm giving my brother my season ticket to go across (NAME)'s granddad

Right

Aye (pause) but the football's not the same now man too much money involved isn't it?

Aye

Just a big business now

Yeah

It is it is and they pay they're paying far too much for players and things and that now and their wages is out of this world

John Terry on hundred and thirty thousand quid a week

Makes you sick doesn't it?

Well

Aye man here that's terrible

It is isn't it

Isn't it?

It's more than some people make in their lifetime

It's immoral it's immoral the the you know the amount of money the players is getting these days it's immoral

Yeah

And what they've they've like had a look at football mind I'm talking years ago and the most they touch the ball in a game's two minutes know what I mean that's like getting the ball pushing it

Yeah yeah

And passing it aye

Touching the ball's two minutes hundred and thirty thousand quid a week lot of money isn't it? (pause) But as you say you cannot blame the players mind

(interruption) Oh no

(interruption) No

Them didn't ask for it did they?

(interruption) No no they get offered it

(interruption) Them cannot even negotiate

It's it's the it's the agents at er

That's right

That

It's all the suits behind it

Aye the agents is er of- you know the the want more and more and more

(interruption) But as you say once

(interruption) The players not going to argue if he's going to get three hundred and thirty thousand (interruption) quid a week

(interruption) And these clubs what's paying this well they must be making the money to pay it out

Yeah

Mustn't they?

Aye

Aye (pause) See it's all these sponsorship deals now with televisions and know what I mean that's where they get the raking

It's all

I mean when Sunderland went up they got fourteen million

Aye

For just going up

Just yeah

From championship to premiership

Aye

Aye it's money man (pause) and these n- dictate now when they play I mean Sunderland first game half past one er quarter to one or something wasn't it Saturday

Saturday

When we played football everything was Saturday three o' clock

Three o' clock yeah

Wasn't it? (interruption) Now they play

(interruption) Yeah

Sunday 'cause it's all the television them tel-

Even Friday night games and all

Aye

That's right

You've got to you they cater for the the sky television and that now

That's right

They they dictate when when the teams is going to play and where -- and you know I mean there's a there's a match on nearly night Monday night there's a match on whe- when I gan into the club every every Monday night

That's right

Em I play dominoes and that for the (interruption) club

(interruption) yeah yeah

And er I go there every Monday night and there's always a match on on sky

Aye

You know (pause) and mid week matches the likes of this one there's three matches on today there's Liverpool match and there's another two matches on later on

Yeah

Aye it's just a big business now man

And I mean the this is just come into force this Sentanta or whatever Setanta it's er a new television station (pause) but er some people have got to pay ten pound a month for it

Yeah

But it's all in the package what I've got you know the the Sk- the cable

Yeah

(pause) I watch all the sport like I watch you know most of the sport and I cannot get away with rugby like I dinna -- don't like rugby or motor racing I don't like that but the rest of the sports cricket and that I watch

Yeah yeah (pause) oh my little brother plays rugby

Does he?

But I'm I just can't get into it

No

I don't think I real- like I don't understand the rules properly so (interruption) that's pro-

(interruption) No that's right ah that's right

I don't

Ah that's right

Like I don't understand like I don't know what

Aye

What's going on

I -- I cannot understand rugby properly I -- I you know I -- I never watch it like you know so

Well it's like two sets of rules League and

There's League and Union

Aye (interruption) Union

(interruption) Union isn't it?

I don't know what

I think League's a- where they just scrum and isn't it? I think so

There's one of them where they scrum and (interruption) the other one's

(interruption) That's right aye

Yeah

(pause) and there's like a s- s- six ball touch or something they've got to get rid of it haven't they

Aye and forward passes if you f- pass it forward it's a foul or something I don't know I cannot er I cannot

I cannot keep up with it

I cannot

I cannot ge- I cannot get away with rugby like

No

Or motor racing just sitting going round and round (laughter)

(laughter) Would send me to sleep just sitting watching that

Aye

But I like all other sports you know I mean I like tennis I like cricket

mm-mm

Athletics I love athletics I like watching that (pause) snooker I like the snooker

And how long you been doing this then?

Em couple of weeks now

Have you?

Aye not long em I mean it's only for a few weeks over the summer

Are you doing a few likes of er different pe- from different areas like?

Aye well I'm do- there's three of us I'm doing Sunderland er and then there's someone doing Gateshead someone doing Newcastle (interruption) so then

(interruption) Oh right compare the

And then we whack it all together and see what

Compare the s- talk like aye

I mean I don't know what all they're get is be like oh yeah they do speak different like

Aye (interruption) aye aye aye

(interruption) Yeah

(laughter) yeah they do but

Aye that's right

Em

It's like a thesis isn't it? Er

It's so- yeah for someone's dissertation I mean I'm not doing any of that

No

But it's someone's work at the end of it

That's right aye

So what you're in a gap year or something are ye?

No I've just finished actually

Have ye?

Just er in July I finished so I'm job hunting at the minute

Are you?

And (pause) so see what happens (pause) just passing the time keeps me out of trouble

Aye would you gan away to work like would you?

Em

If you got the job

I would yeah I mean if anything came up I

That's right aye

I wouldn't sort of turn my nose up at it or anything like that

Aye

Have a look round

So what kind of work are you looking for like?

I don't know well (interruption) I mean

(interruption) Anything?

Well I mean I've done English

Aye

Obviously at uni but then as soon as you say that everyone's just like ah teaching go into teaching

(interruption) Aye

(interruption) Aye that's right

I really don't want to be a teacher

Do you not?

No I ha- I just haven't got the patience if I'm being honest with you to (interruption) deal with little kids all day

(interruption) Aye

(interruption) Aye

I couldn't do it

'Cause now as you say they d- they get away with all sorts all the young'uns (interruption) don't they?

(interruption) Oh there's a lot of (interruption) teachers frightened o-

(interruption) You cannot like discipline them really know what I mean

A lot of teachers frightened of the pupils these days you know th- I mean er the likes of us we used to get (interruption) caned

(interruption) Oh caning for nowt you (interruption) know what I mean

(interruption) Clipped clipped along the lug we used to get ah

Well you couldn't think about doing that now

No no no

You know

They did it now they'd get took to court and you know brought up and sacked and it's ridiculous

Aye well that upt- where we come out that school

Yeah

There that's the school I went to

Right

Aye

Havelock aye

Oh it was er get a cane for owt in there

(laughter)

Was hard (pause) but as you say that's what we were brought up to do weren't we I mean you couldn't do it now (pause) that's how the young'uns today gets away with allsorts

Aye get away with murder they do they get away with murder

Yeah I mean they know how much they can get away with

Oh aye aye

They do

And the language and that that they use these (interruption) days

(interruption) Terrible man

I mean even little kids like that you hear them when they're walking past (interruption) you know the f's and c's and that rah rah rah terrible

(interruption) Swearing

But as you say like young parents use it all the time in the house and (interruption) that so obvious it's got a

(interruption) It's

And they just yeah

It's yobs bringing yobs up now you know what I mean it it the culture it's a yob culture a- and it they're bringing yobs up so you know what can ye expect?

That's it

I mean there was couple lived next door here e- it wasn't a couple it was a single mother I think with a -- one daughter but er the language and that they used -- you could hear them through the walls you know

(laughter)

(interruption) And I mean they never spoke to us

(interruption) Aye

But I wasn't worried about that but er she er got evicted for not paying her w- I don't know what it was her rent or something you know

Yeah

She got evict- but she smashed the kitchen up (laughter) before she went

(laughter)

(interruption) Terrible isn't it?

(interruption) Blokes blokes in there working been in there four weeks putting it right

Aye it's (pause)

Terrible these days it's (interruption) getting worse

(interruption) It's got to change though I always keep saying it's got to change it gans round in like a cycle (interruption) you know what I mean

(interruption) It's got to come full circle yeah

But all these these stabbings and that I mean that that's getting worse isn't it? You know all (interruption) these

(interruption) Terrible aye

You hear of it every day now and y- years ago you never if you heard of a murder it was shocking you know (interruption) ah

(interruption) Oh aye

But now there's one every day

Aye

Ridiculous

See the likes of our age all we've seen big changes you know what I mean over the years

Aye yeah

Yeah well that's the thing 'cause like with me now sort of growing up I just I don't take it for granted but you expect it

(interruption) That's right aye that's right aye that's right

(interruption) Yeah

You go out and you expect to see police and that em

Aye

Aye it's er (interruption) (unclear)

(interruption) But they're not even frightened of the police now the young'uns man are they?

Police frightened of them

That's right

It's the other way round

But see when I see police now they only look like boys to us

Yeah

Not but obvious when we were young they looked like what they were (interruption) police weren't they?

(interruption) But some o- some of them now

(unclear) geet massive

Some of them now they're only little aren't they?

Oh aye

I mean I seen a police woman down the town

That's right

Two of them together and they they weren't the size of two pound of copper you know they were y-

(laughter)

I mean when w- w- w- massive old one weren't they?

You had you had to be at least five foot six or something didn't you er to be a policeman er w- when we were young and there was some of them massive

I mean you used to get wrong for playing football in the street you know what I mean off the polices

Aye

Oh aye

Aye

But now they're not frightened of them man

They don't care

No

And er there was one called Sergeant (NAME)

Oh him (unclear) him

If he if he caught you if he caught you doing anything he s- slap you he used (interruption) crack along the lug

(interruption) Oh aye around the lug

(laughter)

And er and then when you went home and telled your mother she used to (laughter) give you a crack

But I bet but (interruption) I bet it worked

(interruption) Probably getting into bother

Never did it again though

Aye

But see as you say n- all there's no respect 'cause like when you went to doctors you looked up to a doctor didn't you and respected him but now they don't care they just march in saying 'oh I want this I want that'

(interruption) (unclear)

(interruption) And I -- I was getting on the bus yesterday and I -- if there's a woman in a queue I'll always let her get on first and this young lass was saying 'no gan on gan on gan on' I says 'no here get on' I says 'I've been brought up to be a gentleman' and she says 'oh well thank you' you know (interruption) and I just let her on

(interruption) Yeah

Whereas you know these days a -- kids are just walking on and (interruption) sit on the seat for the old people

(interruption) That's right aye they don't get up off their seats now no

And they'll not get up you know what I mean now if I if I seen old woman getting on a bus I mean I'm sixty six myself but now I seen the old woman getting on a bus and I was sitting in the seat I would get up and let her sit down you know what I mean

Yeah

The kids these days are just sit there you know and look at you and then if you say er 'do you mind standing up and let me sit

(sigh)

They stare at you

(interruption) Aye

(interruption) They tell you to f off aye (laughter)

That's right aye aye there's no respect today or nowt man is there really

No the number of times I sit on the Metro now and they sit and they've got their phones out playing like

(interruption) Oh aye that's right aye

(interruption) Oh aye

And they're effing and blinding

(interruption) That's terrible

(interruption) Aye (pause) aye they play -- er play on computer games and all sorts now on the on the mobiles aren't they?

Yep

And some e- some of the people that speaking on the mobiles you can you can hear all the conversation what they're talking about you know what I mean (interruption) rah rah rah

(interruption) Aye aye aye

(laughter)

Aye aye they don't care about nowt man

Makes you wonder what's going to happen in like twenty years time though

(interruption) Oh

(interruption) That's right aye

When they're like running the country

Aye (pause) oh w- we ni- might we might not be here then in (laughter) twenty years time

No no not be here

Aye (pause) aye

So do you ever like I mean do you just sort of stay in Sunderland a lot or do you go through like Newcastle or Gateshead at all or

(interruption) Well

(interruption) Well as I say I gan to er Gateshead on a for his training footba- football

Right

And Monkton on a Saturday

Yeah

But er

The odd times I I been I go to em North Shields fish quay 'cause I the live crabs there you know (interruption) and I bring them back

(interruption) Yeah

And er my ex daughter in law lives in Tynemouth and I've been through there a few times you know to see her and that but her second husband but er my grandson you know my grandson lives in Tynemouth he's eighteen em (pause) but really s- Newcastle Shields

Not very rare I gan out (interruption) anywhere

(interruption) Aye I'm out everyday but you know like I just

But yeah

Go for a bus ride or or Metro ride or you know I just do my crosswords on a morning and then I'm out

Then you're out

Have you had you any holidays have you been away or owt then?

Em I went I as I say I've been to Amsterdam

Oh aye aye

For a it was just under a fortnight I think

Aye

It was like Sunday to the next Friday

Aye

But that's it and I mean that was sort of done on the cheap I mean I was sleeping on my friends on his floor

Aye aye

Aye

That's right 'cause as you say it's expensive for yees isn't it students and that

Yeah em

My brother lives there Amsterdam

Right

My youngest brother aye (laughter) lives in a forest in a caravan (laughter)

(laughter)

Aye

He lives off the grid

No like I would it was a great city sort of when I was going around it but I was ready to come back home at the end of it s-

Aye

I was

I like a holiday (sigh) you know if I can afford it like to go on holiday

So have you been away this year or are you going

No I'm thinking about going up to Scotland for a you know like few days

Yeah

The highlands up in the highlands when I come back from the races I'm going to the races next week and about September I might hope to Scotland for you know a (interruption) few days (pause)

(interruption) Yeah

Aye (pause) (cough)

And if I if I do well at the races I might go to Crete I like Greece Greek Crete (interruption) the Greek island

(interruption) Yeah yeah

I might go somewhere like that if I if I win plenty money (laughter)

Treat yourself to it

Aye it's about five years since I was away out the country went to Benidorm you know but couldn't get away with it so I just got up we just got ourselves a caravan you know (pause) just gan up there every week well I haven't been I've only been up three times this year with the weather and that

The weather's weather's p-

The weather's been

Terrible the rain

Ridiculous

Oh it is aye

Do you think this is well like the summer's on its way out now

It is aye (interruption) that's right

(interruption) Aye

End of August

Aye I mean the (interruption) nights is closing in now aren't they?

(interruption) We usually

We usually get a canny month in September like you might you know sometimes it's a canny September's pretty good

Yeah

Ah but you're talking about they start at eight o' clock aren't you?

Oh aye

You know what I mean (pause) I've noticed at the weekend we were up there it started to come in cold about seven o' clock you know started to change

Aye

I've noticed at the weekend we were up there it started to come in cold about seven o' clock you know started to change

Yeah

Was a canny weekend like but started to change you know l- coming in a bit cold (pause) aye

No like I used to be like I went to college in Tynemouth with (NAME) em but there's so many nights we would be on the beach until sort of nine ten o' clock because it was still hot

Aye that's (interruption) right

(interruption) Aye

But now it's

Aye

Yep

(interruption) (unclear)

(interruption) Aye e- like I say my ex daughter in law lives in Tynemouth like and er it's a nice beach like well Seaburn's a nice beach but there's

Yeah yeah yeah

It is aye

There's no er facilities for

No

You know tourists there's nothing to do am- you can sit on the beach but that's about it there's no (interruption) there's no entertainment and that is there?

(interruption) It's not all yeah

No

I mean it cou- they could make it nice you know

But that was our big thing u- when we were younger going to Seaburn you know what I mean

Aye

That was a big day out for us

Yeah (laughter)

(pause) or we used to go to South Hylton you know

Aye

Yeah

And stop there for the day

When I when I was a kid we used to get the the ferry from Hendon across the River R- River Wear to Roker you know to Roker beach and that

Yeah

And it was only ha'penny then you know ha'penny on the ferry across the from Hendon to to Roker and er that was a day out you know a trip out to the seaside

Yeah

That's it

And we used to jump on the train and gan to East Boldon or West Boldon catching frogs (interruption) you know 'cause there was plenty of marsh land there

(interruption) Aye

And we (interruption) used to

(interruption) It's still there that pond

Aye I know we used to go there and catch the frogs and newts and things you know and bring them home in a jar sort of thing now I've got them in my own pond at the back (laughter) I've got a pond out there and there's about twelve or thirteen frogs in there

No like I live about five minute walk from the station at Boldon em and when we were like when I was little we went s- down to the flats like the marsh and got a couple of frogs and stuff

Aye

And we didn't have a pond it was more just like a ditch in the garden we

Aye that's right aye

Uh-huh

Er and it's dried up and covered over now but any time you're out there there's always one sort of

Aye

(interruption) I don't know where they're living

(interruption) Oh aye

That's right aye

They come back every year they come you know I mean in March when they spawn there's a pond full of frog spawn you know and the tadpoles and that

Yeah

And then you you wonder where they disappear to you know but I cleaned it out e- they'd all sort of vanished or I don't know whether the fish ate them or what like but they sort of vanished and then when I c- I went to clean it out and there was s- still a hundreds in and they were p- pretty big you know they were like grown the legs and that you know

Aye

So er they'll have they'll have er jumped out the pond now probably and gone somewhere but er I think they hibernate under the shed and things like that where it's damp you know

Damp that's right aye aye

Sometimes when you go out at night and the security light gans on and you see them hopping back into the pond you know

Yeah

Aye

(laughter) Jumping in back into the pond

Aye (pause) do w- do you support then? Sunderland or Newcastle?

Sunderland

Do you?

Yeah

He daren't say owt different (laughter)

That's it (laughter)

No I mean I don't follow them like really closely but like

Aye

Ah

G- Yeah given the choice yeah definitely Sunderland

Aye

But er I wasn't too sure when like they like last season when they said about Keane I was a bit was a bit funny about it at first

Aye that's right

Oh (NAME) was over the moon my wife oh yeah Roy Keane yeah great she loves him (laughter)

I mean at the time I was just worried about like 'cause he's obviously going to use us for like two seasons to get some experience (interruption) before and shift off

(interruption) Aye aye that's what everybody thought

That's right

He's just er serving his apprenticeship here

Yeah

To to go to Newc- er (interruption) Manchester United

(interruption) Man united

Go somewhere like that but he's e- it looks like he's staying here for at least four year 'cause er all the signings he's made they're on a four year contract you know what I mean?

That's it yeah

But as er footballs er as on is er only short type thing (interruption) isn't it he could be out next week could be sacked know what I mean

(interruption) Oh aye

(laughter)

Aye I doubt it like because Quinney'll not sack him like (pause) for all they've had they've had their differences be- you know like when er when they play for Ireland and and things like that but er I think er he's got a lot of respect for him now like

Yeah (pause) em like a lot like a lot of the players now like I can't think of any other people could be getting the names well in sorry in the championship th- that he's bringing in

Ah

No

Em like

He got rid of all the all the rubbish as soon as he came in didn't he? You know all them that was in that video with that young (interruption) sixteen-year-old bird

(interruption) Aye

Yeah

He got chase (interruption) (unclear)

(interruption) (unclear) he let Elliott gan and I thought he was a goodun (interruption) know what I mean?

(interruption) Aye aye he was fast like pretty fast

But see he'll not have (pause) been working out er in his policy will he? He'll have er a thing to gan on (interruption) won't he? Setup

(interruption) He'll have a

He let that er Hussain gan as well that er Tobias Hussain he was a good winger

Aye

He was pretty fast but er he's let a couple of good players go but that's up to him isn't it I mean he seems to know what he's doing

Up to now

(laughter) Yeah

Up to now aye (pause) aye

I mean I watched them playing them er in Ireland them three games in Ireland and they were a load of rubbish you know and I thought (sigh) playing the likes of Ch- Chelsea and Man U and them I says (interruption) no chance

(interruption) But see as you say S- Sunderland always seem to play good when they play the best teams though don't they?

Yeah

Aye

(interruption) (unclear)

(interruption) Pull something out er out don't they?

And when I seen them last Saturday the way they played last Saturday they were a different team all together you know what I mean?

Aye (pause) (cough)

No like you said as long as we can bounce around like sort of like mid just under mid table (interruption) for a couple of seasons

(interruption) Uh-huh

Get the money in and

See if you keep it that I mean the bringing money in all the time and once he gets himself established he might gan out and p- buy these big players in you know see he'll have to have some he need l- looking at on S- Saturday match of the day he wants s- some goal scorer you know

Oh he needs a he needs some a prolific goal scorer I cannot see Chopra doing much in and that em Stokes

No

He's he's

I don't rate Stokes

I don't rate him like no

And Newcastle chased Chopra didn't they?

Aye (pause) well he scored plenty for Cardiff you know he played well when he playing for Cardiff

Oh aye but as you say it's a big difference between championship and premiership

Huge

Aye

Isn't it? Big gap (pause) fast man that premiership (pause) you haven't got time to dwell on the ball you know what I mean get in and

Well that's what that's what Sunderland did to Tottenham on Saturday they didn't give them a chance to play football they were sh- you know

That's right aye that's it what you've got to do with these players like (pause) but see these fe- foreigners and that man Italians they know their job man don't they

They're all yeah

(interruption) They know how to dive and how to fall

(interruption) {They know about the ball up front Clever with it man

They know when to dive (laughter)

Ah they're (interruption) clever

(interruption) Calling calling the referees

That's it the- they practise the I'm convinced they practise that diving more than they do actual like (interruption) football

(interruption) That's right oh aye that's right

Then come world cup everyone's watching the English team and being like (interruption) oh what are they going to do?

(interruption) (laughter) aye

I think it's is it next Saturday they play Germany in the friendly?

(interruption) Is it?

(interruption) England (interruption) aye

(interruption) Aye (pause) aye but to me the England team (pause) he doesn't bring no good er new players in does he (interruption) really

(interruption) Nah

No

I mean look at that team you can a -- three quarters of that team w- was there when

(interruption) Regulars

(interruption) Eriksson Eriksson was there you know what I mean I think they're frightened to bring new players in to (interruption) give them a go

(interruption) Aye

Yeah

Gerrard er and (interruption) Lampard

(interruption) Lampard they don't them they're both on the s- pitch together (interruption) to me they do the same job take one out

(interruption) Aye (pause) same job

That's it yeah

And like keep swapping them 'cause they both like to be mid field but going in to score goals don't they you've got er one stopping back and helping out and (pause) aye

No given the choice I'd prefer Gerrard up there to to Lampard

Aye (interruption) aye

(interruption) Aye I would aye now

But

Good player Gerrard like

Lampard's a good er (pause) like a f- for Chelsea know what I mean

Yeah yeah yeah good Chelsea player not but (interruption) put him in an England shirt

(interruption) That's right

(interruption) Good team good team player b- er but international's not very good

But he's the boy that Lampard er Gerrard

Gerrard aye

But as you say there you are they had Beckham out they done nowt they had to bring him back

Aye

I'll tell you what he's playing well isn't he?

Aye he's a good crosser of ball he's a good free kick dead ball situations but er

He's a -- er good crosser good free kick p- know what I mean

He's not much cop at er beating a man

Oh no but how many players is good at a -- two things

Aye

Know what I mean? (pause) He's brilliant at what he does isn't he?

Oh aye

That's it yeah he's a like you put him in a shirt (interruption) and he does what you pay him for he

(interruption) That's

Well it sh- proved it they brought him back and they got three goals out of him

Yeah

Didn't they? Off his free kicks (pause) (interruption) aye he's a good player

(interruption) Aye

But they never last for ever do they? (interruption) {I mean he's getting on a bit now

(interruption) No no well he's thirty two now but (pause) good player

No he's d- he's moved out there to retire now 'cause I thought when he was in Spain I was like right he's not going to he's going to be there for a couple of seasons retire early but

No no no

I can see him doing the same now

See you're talking about money man hundred and twenty eight million quid he's going to get know what I mean (sigh)

(interruption) I mean what do you do with all that money?

(interruption) I mean he's all he's all ready a multi millionaire

Oh aye that's right

And so is she (pause) I'll give ye that tenner and I'll give ye it back

Oh aye

Then you can owe us two quid

I was looking I was says 'where's that tenner gone'

(laughter)

I says oh I gave him the tenner man (pause) right champion

Right that's it then

Oh dear me

I paid his I put his to- doubles (interruption) and things (interruption) on

(interruption) {On a when I don't get up 'cause (interruption) I'm going to the christening on Sunday

(interruption) He's going to a party

Sunday

Right

(interruption) So I'll not get up (interruption) to put doubles on

(interruption) So I put his to- doubles on for him and I play his bingo for him

Yeah

I won sixteen quid on Sat- Sunday so you know what I mean

(laughter)

W- we usually win when he's not there you know what I mean

(laughter)

Aye (pause) it's only right that

I had a share in a tote and er

What was the number?

We had thirty six

Was it?

We had (interruption) (unclear)

(interruption) It's been lucky to us like hasn't it?

Aye we had ten pound off the off the lottery we had three numbers on the (interruption) lottery

(interruption) (NAME)'s numbers were they?

No (interruption) no

(interruption) Ten eleven and

No it was only me (NAME) and (NAME)'s share

Oh

On that

(interruption) Oh so (NAME)'ll

(interruption) Oh no (NAME) (NAME)'s (interruption) share as well

(interruption) (NAME)'ll have had three numbers then

No

Ten twenty-two and eleven

No

Did he not have three?

No (interruption) we had

(interruption) S- stacks the doubles doesn't he?

We had er six six was one of the numbers six twenty two six nineteen and twenty two that was the (interruption) three numbers we won the tenner off aye

(interruption) Was it?

Aye I thought (NAME) would have had a share mind

No

Ten eleven twenty-two

No

Was it not?

Well he never said anyway he never said nowt

Oh well

Put another cushion behind ye (interruption) sit back man

(interruption) Oh I'm all right

I think that'll do anyway actually

Are you sure?

Is that it son?

Yeah that's nearly an hour