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Speaker 1:

interviewerTLSG37

Speaker 2:

informantTLSG37

Age Group:

41-50

Gender:

Female

Residence:

Tyneside - Gateshead

Education:

Left school at 14

Occupation:

Housewife (previously Factory Worker)

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  Interview Transcript

Speaker 2:

T L S what's that

Speaker 1:

G

Speaker 2:

E (pause) five two

Speaker 1:

thanks (pause) ta (pause) eh could you tell us first eh where you were born please (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 2:

I was born at eleven Victoria Street (pause) Gateshead

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) aye yeah whereabouts is that again

Speaker 2:

that's just against the f eh the flats you know

Speaker 1:

eh these these flats down here (unclear)

Speaker 2:

no Barney Close the old eh

Speaker 1:

eh yes I know where you mean now

Speaker 2:

Victoria Street

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

eleven Victoria Street

Speaker 1:

yeah eh and eh whereabouts else have you lived since then you know where how long did you stay there for instance

Speaker 2:

ah well eh me mother got out (unclear) they were building houses for people then down the Old Fold (interruption) and I went down the Old Fold to live

Speaker 1:

(interruption) that's right aye oh aye aye and eh where where'd you live after that

Speaker 2:

well I got myself married you see

Speaker 1:

yes and

Speaker 2:

I was married when I was about nineteen

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and eh I I lived in with my mother for not quite two year but varnigh

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and I went to Lobley Hill that was my first house

Speaker 1:

ah yes yes

Speaker 2:

and I shifted I got an exchange to be near my mother you know

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

in the flat

Speaker 1:

oh aye

Speaker 2:

but I lived in there for about oh (pause) eighteen or nineteen year

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

maybe a little bit longer I divn't know but eh then I come over here cause they were (pause) modernizing the flats you see

Speaker 1:

they were modernizing them (interruption) over there were they

Speaker 2:

aye they were modernizing taking the fireplaces out putting the central heating in

Speaker 1:

ah yes yes are you are you going to move back into there are you are you

Speaker 2:

ah no I've got a family there for my family now they're just (interruption) for young couples or old people you kn

Speaker 1:

oh yes I see aye ah eh which of those places did you eh did you think was the best to live in where did you enjoy living best out of them

Speaker 2:

the best

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

well I liked Lobley Hill it was eh nice and cot more like a country eh

Speaker 1:

yes yeah it is (unclear)

Speaker 2:

you see (pause) well the flats I think they are just too nosy

Speaker 1:

eh these flats are (unclear)

Speaker 2:

aye I think the flats can be nosy

Speaker 1:

you mean you've sort of too many people around you and that

Speaker 2:

well you in the flats you're too closed in

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

you can either see too much or (unclear) (interruption) nowt at all you see

Speaker 1:

aye that's right aye yes you prefer this house like do you

Speaker 2:

oh aye this one aye

Speaker 1:

yeah (pause) yeah what about eh what about the people in this area do you think (interruption) that people are very friendly

Speaker 2:

oh I just say hello and that

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

that that that's all (pause) know and they speak (interruption) how you're getting on

Speaker 1:

aye (pause) aye

Speaker 2:

(unclear) I haven't really made friends

Speaker 1:

aye you're not particularly friendly (unclear)

Speaker 2:

they're they're not they're I wouldn't say they were neighbourly

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 2:

(unclear) if anybody comes to my door and they wanted a mashing of tea or (pause) a bit of this if I would be willing to give owt

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and I would that was all I wouldn't talk about them

Speaker 1:

aye yeah

Speaker 2:

I w wouldn't talk because I divn't like that if you cannot help a person well (pause) they would be hadaway get you y I couldn't be like that

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 2:

oh I couldn't be like that

Speaker 1:

yeah and eh what about eh Gateshead as a place to live compared with Newcastle would you rather live in Gateshead than Newcastle

Speaker 2:

well I I'm not a one for I haven't been I wouldn't get lost in Newcastle

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

the only time I gan to Newcastle is in the market for (pause) fruit for the bairns or

Speaker 1:

oh aye

Speaker 2:

something

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

you know or if I have the money well I I never have the money now well I never had any money (laughter)

Speaker 1:

(laughter) aye

Speaker 2:

ehm if they if we they want owt cheap on the sale we gan to (interruption) C and As you know places like that

Speaker 1:

aye (pause) do you do you ever shop in Gateshead do you ever shop in Gateshead very much

Speaker 2:

oh aye I shop in Gateshead

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

the (unclear) now I'm in the stores

Speaker 1:

yeah uh-huh

Speaker 2:

aye I think eh the stores is all right

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

they're reasonable

Speaker 1:

mm-hm but you wouldn't like to live in Newcastle you're fairly settled in Gateshead would you say

Speaker 2:

now me daughter would like to eh live away

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

live away because sometimes she thinks I divn't know (pause) I think she would like to live in a nice place (pause) like Cornwall you know

Speaker 1:

uh-huh oh aye

Speaker 2:

you know but you have to have she'd like to live in her own house

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

(unclear) but I think she dreams a lot poor soul (laughter)

Speaker 1:

(laughter) (pause) you think you would stay in Gateshead now do you c can't say you'd moving anywhere

Speaker 2:

I would like to live in a nice house meself you know bit green and

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

but I haven't got (laughter) it takes money

Speaker 1:

eh have you ha y you've never actually been away from Tyneside at all for a very long periods

Speaker 2:

oh I've never been away from Tyneside I've always been

Speaker 1:

ah what about holidays (unclear) been away (unclear) on holiday

Speaker 2:

oh on holidays I divn't gan for holidays man I wish could

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

eh Whitley Bay or South Shields for a day or two

Speaker 1:

so you've never actually been away from Tyneside at all

Speaker 2:

oh nah

Speaker 1:

in the whole of your life

Speaker 2:

not (interruption) me I haven't

Speaker 1:

aye (pause) (unclear) that's eh

Speaker 2:

I haven't been out the road

Speaker 1:

aye that's remarkable (interruption) that aye

Speaker 2:

nah I've never been away

Speaker 1:

ehm (pause) and eh (pause) where were your parents born do you know were they were born in Gateshead as well do you know

Speaker 2:

eh me father was born in Newcastle I think (pause) at Oakwell Gate (pause) I think now and me mother eh was born in Barney Close Victoria Street

Speaker 1:

aye uh-huh

Speaker 2:

me mother come off a hard work they were hard working people

Speaker 1:

mm-hm yeah

Speaker 2:

me father was a hard work we were never hungry mind because we had a good father when we were little

Speaker 1:

mm-hm what did what did your father do in fact what was your was father's job

Speaker 2:

name

Speaker 1:

no what was his job

Speaker 2:

well he was a labourer

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

well in me father's time they had to put theirselves to work hadn't they

Speaker 1:

oh (unclear) yeah

Speaker 2:

they had to do a bit fiddle and all one thing or the tother

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

well me father come off a hawking family

Speaker 1:

yeah yeah

Speaker 2:

you know I mean me granny used to maybe sell kippers or

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

or put herself to other little bits of business to bring the money in you had to them days

Speaker 1:

yes aye

Speaker 2:

well they sort of learned off her me father had other brothers and they used to chop sticks well they had made theirselves a little business you see

Speaker 1:

yeah uh-huh

Speaker 2:

well they had kept it up (pause) when the war was on

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

and I think when the war (pause) they had one of the brothers went in the army and the the other brother went away down to Coventry and the factories to make the money because they had no family (interruption) they had nowt to stop them

Speaker 1:

mm aye aye

Speaker 2:

and they lived down there well they just died (pause) and me father just went to work

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

me father went to work at Clarkie's

Speaker 1:

did he aye there's a lot of people work in there (unclear) there's a lot of people who were in in Clarkie's (interruption) right enough (unclear)

Speaker 2:

aye in Clarkie's went to work at Clarkie's and they (pause) he just worked there until he took until he took bad he was a shunter

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and he was on the shunting a long time and I think the boiler had boi eh bursted and he got soaking of wet

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and he had never been the same you know and when he got wet

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

because he had a bad chest to start with and he had eh used to wear them old fashioned eh body shirts and that they were woollen well they had to take all his clothes off and he put he wrung them out and put them in the boiler and they placed (unclear) well he thought they were dry well you know cause wool's deceiving

Speaker 1:

that's true

Speaker 2:

and he put them back on again

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

thought they were dry but they're not dry

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and i it had turned out he had pneumonia you see he had been standing about with pneumonia and he was never he was in the hospital for six month and he never worked normal (interruption) because the doctor told him he wouldn't (pause) work

Speaker 1:

aye (unclear) mm (pause) eh and eh (pause) how old are you by the way

Speaker 2:

me I'm forty five I look like sixty five (interruption) now

Speaker 1:

thank you oh I wouldn't say that (laughter)

Speaker 2:

I've had a hard life though

Speaker 1:

wouldn't say that at all

Speaker 2:

I haven't had the best of man

Speaker 1:

sorry you haven't?

Speaker 2:

I haven't had the best of man I've had a hard life (pause) of it

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

ah if it wasn't for my people God help me

Speaker 1:

that's your mother's people (unclear)

Speaker 2:

nah my people

Speaker 1:

aye yeah

Speaker 2:

me parents

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

I couldn't get nowt to (unclear) people oh course my man (pause) belongs to Bensham way and all you know

Speaker 1:

does he aye

Speaker 2:

Tin Street but it was a a it was a pity for him like I mean eh he was eh (pause) (unclear) child

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

you see his grandfather eh fetched him up well he was old then when he was born and when (NAME) was only about the twenty two his grandfather was eighty odd then

Speaker 1:

mm-hm (unclear)

Speaker 2:

well he had seen a lot of drinking

Speaker 1:

(unclear)

Speaker 2:

well with (NAME) not having any mother (pause) I mean you've got to have look ower these things (pause) and eh he could be made good he was a kind man

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 2:

but he was a fool (pause) you know he was a he was a kind man but he was a fool he made us suffer oh I divn't know he was right through this war though

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

he was wounded with fifty fifty percent

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

he was wounded

Speaker 1:

(unclear) and eh (interruption)

Speaker 2:

but never mind the drink got him it it it it ruined him

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

the drink got a hold of him

Speaker 1:

(unclear) eh how many children do you have

Speaker 2:

many k

Speaker 1:

how many children have you got

Speaker 2:

ehm well I've had eight that's seven alive I've got three lads no four lads and three lasses

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

the oldest lassie's twenty four

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

the other one's twenty three she's married (pause) and (NAME) (pause) she'll be gan on to eighteen wor (NAME)'s be twenty wor (NAME)'ll be six just sixteen

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

wor (NAME)'ll be fourteen at Christmas day and wor little (NAME) (laughter) that's the seventh

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

he'll be ten on January the sixteenth (laughter)

Speaker 1:

(unclear) it takes you a time to remember them (laughter)

Speaker 2:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

(laughter) and eh are they how many of them live at home are some of them married

Speaker 2:

well wor (NAME) she's seventeen she bides with her granny oh they love their granny

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

my mother oh they love them (pause) in fact she's she's comp she's fetched them all up me father was good to them he shoed them and (pause) oh aye

Speaker 1:

eh

Speaker 2:

oh I've been glad to gan to them me father when he used to see me gan down the gate down their gate he used to say here's the money lender coming that was me

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

and it's me who's borrowing the money off he he had the money he used to put a little bit ten bob know the notes

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

he used to say 'keep that for (NAME)' that was for me for to get bread in for the bairns

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

oh what a good father I had

Speaker 1:

aye yeah (pause) eh do you work at the moment do you work at the moment

Speaker 2:

me I'm not working

Speaker 1:

no no

Speaker 2:

I'm eeh I've had to gan to the doctor's last week I've had to get me blood tested

Speaker 1:

aye have you been bad

Speaker 2:

oh I was (pause) (unclear) sort of low (pause) you know low

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

up in the morning

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

I used to get funny sensation

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and they used to say 'mother your lips are blue' well I used to get worried I thought I had a bad heart

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and me daughter says (unclear) 'you divn't say because your lips are blue that you've got bad heart mother'

Speaker 1:

ah probably something (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 2:

you're anaemic so I went to the doctors they took me to the doctors and I got blood tablets off the doctor (unclear) in there last night

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and eh I've been champion since I went on them

Speaker 1:

aye ah very good

Speaker 2:

but the iron are the best ones

Speaker 1:

aye that's (unclear)

Speaker 2:

though I got me blood tested when he looked me in my eyes you knew and when he pricked me (interruption) finger he knew

Speaker 1:

mm-hm (pause) aye the iron deficiency like

Speaker 2:

because when I had (NAME) I had to get five pints of blood

Speaker 1:

mm-hm aye

Speaker 2:

in the Queen Elizabeth

Speaker 1:

aye eh (interruption)

Speaker 2:

I was weak you know cause I've got had nay blood so I went up to Queen Elizabeth and I got my blood test as well got to wait (pause) they sent it to the doctor

Speaker 1:

mm-hm yeah

Speaker 2:

(unclear) report

Speaker 1:

eh what eh (pause) what jobs have you done in your life can you remember what sort of work you've done

Speaker 2:

oh well you see with me being nay scholar I'm nay scholar you see I cannot read

Speaker 1:

oh

Speaker 2:

just a little bit

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

I can write my name mind you

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

but oh I was nay scholar I was hard of hearing when I went to school

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

very deaf it knocked me right back

Speaker 1:

it would do aye

Speaker 2:

you see and I think I was on the very I was very quiet when I went to school

Speaker 1:

uh-huh

Speaker 2:

and when I used to see the teacher's reaction I couldn't hear her

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

you know I sort of got frightened for mesel

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

I was terrified and I think it's not but now these days it's different

Speaker 1:

aye you mean it would be better at school now like

Speaker 2:

it's different you see

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

but I was very clever with my hands at school

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 2:

very clever (pause) but for reading and eh sums oh it's eh I couldn't just I was eh divn't know (laughter) never mind

Speaker 1:

yeah (pause) eh

Speaker 2:

I mean I was sensible you know

Speaker 1:

aye (laughter)

Speaker 2:

I wasn't daft people think because you cannot read though you're I mean there's people can read and write and they're not altogether there

Speaker 1:

I know that mind (laughter)

Speaker 2:

ah no not at all altogether there

Speaker 1:

yeah how old were you when you left school

Speaker 2:

fourteen

Speaker 1:

fourteen aye

Speaker 2:

aye fourteen

Speaker 1:

aye what eh and what did you do then what

Speaker 2:

well I was the oldest one in me mother's family the oldest one of me brother me other two sisters eh mother was in bad in health at the time (pause) she was troubled with nerves she had sleeping sickness at the time oh they were terrible (pause) so I never really started work until I was about the fifteen and I just worked in the Felling

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

for about twelve month (pause) at the paint works the National Paint Works at the time

Speaker 1:

oh aye it's still there isn't it that eh

Speaker 2:

I think it is now my father eh come in he says 'I can get you started at Clarkie's'

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

when I was sixteen well me and another lass had went out to to look for work she says 'oh (NAME)' she says 'I know we can get a job down the wine place'

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

down at the bottom of the high street

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 2:

I says 'right you are' well we had went to the wine place and the poor soul he looked at the two of (unclear) he says 'I'll take you' you know I felt awful cause it was a bit lassie you know (unclear)

Speaker 1:

(laughter) aye

Speaker 2:

I divn't know because I was eh little and I was sort of maybe because I was looked stronger

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and the other lass was a bit thin (pause) because eh you have to hoy the boxes up you see

Speaker 1:

oh aye aye

Speaker 2:

so I never minded see I went home at dinner time I said 'oh father' I said 'I've gotta start work' he says 'well I've got a job for you at Clarkie's'

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

oh well I didn't want to let me father down you see and I didn't know what to do oh I says 'I'll take it' he says 'it's nearer home for you' so I went to (NAME) the lass who I went

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

the wine place I says 'you can take that job I've got' (laughter)

Speaker 1:

aye (laughter)

Speaker 2:

so she got started

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

so I worked in Clarkie's for about five year y (unclear)

Speaker 1:

aye what did you do there

Speaker 2:

well it got the war was finished and it got a bit slack (pause) and eh I was finished at Clarkie's and I had just went to the oh Powell's went to Powell's for a while

Speaker 1:

(unclear)

Speaker 2:

the jam factory

Speaker 1:

oh aye yes

Speaker 2:

then I had went down to the eh (pause) Davidson Wood (pause) for a few then I got married

Speaker 1:

aye and y you n haven't worked since you got married or

Speaker 2:

I no I've always wanted to though (interruption) but I've always had the family

Speaker 1:

aye too many

Speaker 2:

in fact I feel like working now I think if I got mesel out to work it might help but eh (pause) you know I've got a funny feeling

Speaker 1:

aye ah probably be good for you that

Speaker 2:

I might lost weight (interruption) you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and that might bring me (pause) me mind you know (interruption) happier

Speaker 1:

aye bit better for you aye

Speaker 2:

you know it might get us out

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

know mixing in with people and that

Speaker 1:

uh-huh oh right aye

Speaker 2:

because I'm not a one for ri (pause) I like a nice person (unclear) I couldn't be bothered with a cheeky p (laughter)

Speaker 1:

uh-huh aye oh a lot of women like say that they just you know they would they like to work after they're married just to (interruption) keep themselves busy like

Speaker 2:

aye I've always wanted to gan out to work

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

but when I gan out to work I want to bring mesel on (pause) you know I would like to put something away

Speaker 1:

aye uh-huh

Speaker 2:

something away I've always wanted a nice home

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

I believe in saving up and putting something by

Speaker 1:

do you

Speaker 2:

because me father was a saver and that he used to make we put wor bit money in the bank you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and I but I've never had a chance and still I used to say to my man 'if you gan out to work (NAME) I'll gan out to work' and I says 'but that's the only way we'll bring worsel on' but I say 'as long as you're drinking' I says 'we'll never get on' I says eh 'it'll smash your home up' and I says 'it's nay good that life' I says 'you can take a glass of beer but take it in a moderate way'

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

but oh no (NAME) was still a fool (pause) you know he was paymaster in the bar my man (interruption) when he was amongst other men he forgot (interruption) about home he forgot about the cupboard (pause) (interruption) had to be filled up (laughter) (interruption)

Speaker 1:

(interruption) mm-hm (interruption) aye (interruption) aye (interruption) eh what do what do you think about schools now do you think eh schools are (interruption) better nowadays or

Speaker 2:

well I think they're more interest now

Speaker 1:

aye uh-huh

Speaker 2:

oh I think they're more interesting now oh there's me light went out (laughter)

Speaker 1:

(laughter) aye

Speaker 2:

aye I think they're more int and yes I think the bairns they shouldn't be backwards now I mean if eh if they are backwards it must be something do with being wrong in birth or

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

something wrong if they've something they're afraid of at home or to be frightened (pause) (interruption) you see

Speaker 1:

mm-hm (unclear) ah that's definitely true aye (pause) aye

Speaker 2:

you know there's there is you know when you're frightened you know you cannot take your lessons you cannot

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

I know if I'm worried oh I couldn't do a thing I couldn't I couldn't do a thing I couldn't do as I couldn't cook I couldn't do nowt in fact I couldn't wash me face

Speaker 1:

aye yeah aye

Speaker 2:

if I'm worried I got very upset and I get like sickly you know

Speaker 1:

yes wh what

Speaker 2:

make mesel bad

Speaker 1:

yeah eh whereabouts do your lads go to school what s what school are your eh lads go (unclear)

Speaker 2:

well they're Catholics

Speaker 1:

aye like eh that will be eh

Speaker 2:

Saint Wilfred's

Speaker 1:

Saint Wilfred's is it aye is that a good s do you think it's a good school

Speaker 2:

that's a good school

Speaker 1:

aye (pause) eh and do you think ehm

Speaker 2:

but I've got a laddie that gans to Beacon's Lough

Speaker 1:

oh aye uh-huh

Speaker 2:

well I wanted to take him away from there (pause) to send him to but he he's still a Catholic because he keeps his religion up

Speaker 1:

aye uh-huh

Speaker 2:

I mean he (pause) gans to church

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and ehm (pause) but he (pause) didn't want to he didn't want to leave his friends his mates and I thought

Speaker 1:

aye oh aye

Speaker 2:

and he didn't want to mix in with other well I thought about that I says 'I might break his little heart' because he's a canny laddie you see (pause) and he's a sort like a fretty natured bairn inwardly you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

so I says 'right you are' I says 'I'll I'll take you up to the school' (pause) you see and eh (pause) he was all right like I divn't want to (pause) (interruption) you know (pause) still keeps his religion up though

Speaker 1:

mm-hm mm-hm (pause) mm-hm aye you were you born a Catholic were you (interruption) aye I see aye

Speaker 2:

aye I was born a Catholic aye

Speaker 1:

oh I I'm Catholic myself as well

Speaker 2:

are you

Speaker 1:

aye mm-hm (pause) and eh

Speaker 2:

I come off a good Catholic mother and a good me father was a Protestant but he turned to Catholic

Speaker 1:

you would you would be in Saint Joseph's parish were you (unclear)

Speaker 2:

I was at Saint Joseph's aye

Speaker 1:

aye s (interruption)

Speaker 2:

I left Barney Close when I was seven year old to come down to the Old Fold (pause) because they were all condemned them houses

Speaker 1:

oh aye yeah (unclear)

Speaker 2:

we had to gan down the Old Fold oh there was a lot of Catholics up there down in the Old Fold (pause) a lot of Catholics

Speaker 1:

yeah (pause) yes yes it was sort of a very Catholic area at the time

Speaker 2:

oh aye it was nearly all Irish people

Speaker 1:

aye (unclear) aye

Speaker 2:

come from miles

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) ehm when you were living eh in the Old Fold you know when you were quite young when you were say under twelve ehm can you remember any of the games that you used to play or things you used to do then you know

Speaker 2:

I used to (unclear) play

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

well (pause) I wasn't a one I use to like to have a game

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

but eh (pause) but some of the (pause) the kids could be funny know they're a bit two faced

Speaker 1:

uh-huh

Speaker 2:

you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

they could be two faced some of them well I wasn't the one that really bothered them

Speaker 1:

I see aye

Speaker 2:

I mean I could see that

Speaker 1:

uh-huh

Speaker 2:

you see (unclear) used to say 'if you're not going to I'm not going to'

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

you know (pause) sometimes I would I used to p we use to play cannon and hidey

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and oh if the skippy rope was all the go then (interruption) I used to love that

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

the skippy ropes (pause) and eh (pause) I used to like to we used to sit on the steps and we used to knit (unclear) (pause) crochet (pause) (interruption) you know crochet

Speaker 1:

wh ah you used to make real things like did you aye

Speaker 2:

you know little shawls (interruption) you know you can make them oh into a canny size

Speaker 1:

aye uh-huh (pause) oh aye aye

Speaker 2:

as big as a house if we had the wool (laughter) well it's very (unclear)

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

so ehm I was more for when I was young (pause) to help me mother

Speaker 1:

aye uh-huh aye

Speaker 2:

cleaning (pause) you know polishing we used to have a lot of brass old fashioned stuff

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

we used to help her I had to help me mother because me mother was bad in health (unclear)

Speaker 1:

yes aye

Speaker 2:

she's still alive though

Speaker 1:

is she

Speaker 2:

oh aye

Speaker 1:

whereabouts is she then

Speaker 2:

(unclear) it's just over Clover Avenue

Speaker 1:

oh aye aye

Speaker 2:

oh aye

Speaker 1:

ehm (pause) could you tell us please what you call each of the rooms of this house just what your usual word is for them

Speaker 2:

eh

Speaker 1:

could you tell us what you call each room of this house you know what your usual word is for them

Speaker 2:

well this is supposed to be eh (pause) your dining room

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

no this your is the sitting room

Speaker 1:

(unclear) aye

Speaker 2:

and that's the dining room

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

that's all

Speaker 1:

(unclear) what's the what do you call this out here

Speaker 2:

that's eh well eh we call it the kitchenette but we call it the scullery

Speaker 1:

aye uh-huh

Speaker 2:

you know this is the kitchenette and that's just two rooms

Speaker 1:

aye and eh

Speaker 2:

upstairs

Speaker 1:

mm (pause) and eh (pause) and what do you call the thing you stand in front of the fire to get it going (pause) you know what do you call the thing you stand in front of the fire to get it going do you have a sheet of tin that you put in front of it

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) what

Speaker 1:

do you have a sheet of tin that you put in front of the fire to get it going

Speaker 2:

I haven't to put what I can't hear what you're saying

Speaker 1:

(laughter) what do you call the thing you put in front of it to get it going

Speaker 2:

the bleezer

Speaker 1:

aye uh-huh that's all

Speaker 2:

what for (laughter)

Speaker 1:

(laughter) just wanted to know if you used the word or not

Speaker 2:

(laughter) oh I divn't need me bleezer for that though

Speaker 1:

oh (unclear) good well

Speaker 2:

that's a that's a hungry bugger that

Speaker 1:

aye (laughter)

Speaker 2:

ooo I've a hungry fire

Speaker 1:

great (laughter)

Speaker 2:

think it takes fai a ton of coal for this

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

you put a I've got to save all my rubbish and put it down there it'll burn

Speaker 1:

aye (unclear)

Speaker 2:

oh you can hear it roa it's a good talker that

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

ooo it roars the noise

Speaker 1:

(unclear)

Speaker 2:

when I first come into this house and we lit this fire (pause) we all now what's that noise and we were looking around (laughter)

Speaker 1:

aye hm

Speaker 2:

it was the back back of the fire

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

because (unclear) when we lived in the flat you know it heats wor hot water (interruption) this fire you see

Speaker 1:

uh-huh aye

Speaker 2:

but in the flat it didn't we had a coke oh it was terrible (pause) like a coke little oven in the scullery

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

it was mucky and it was awful

Speaker 1:

mm eh (pause) ehm (pause) do you watch the television very much

Speaker 2:

oh I like the telly

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

you know (pause) I like a nice play

Speaker 1:

uh-huh

Speaker 2:

something real what's been happen years ago

Speaker 1:

oh aye aye

Speaker 2:

something that eh is true

Speaker 1:

yes aye

Speaker 2:

something true oh I I divn't like nay nay false (pause) you know

Speaker 1:

(unclear)

Speaker 2:

something true

Speaker 1:

oh I see aye yes some some sort of historical

Speaker 2:

you know what happened years ago

Speaker 1:

aye mm-hm

Speaker 2:

true stories

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

you know

Speaker 1:

and eh

Speaker 2:

no I like the The Song Of Bernadette

Speaker 1:

oh aye aye (pause) yes uh-huh

Speaker 2:

(unclear) that was true that I I've got faith in that

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

I like that (pause) and eh (pause) oh I like a true eh films

Speaker 1:

uh-huh yeah and eh (pause) does that take up most your time like of an evening you know do you spend most the time watching television

Speaker 2:

well eh if I happen to if I have time (pause) I might have to b eh (pause) be off you know to watch it then I might have to be taken away from it you see

Speaker 1:

aye uh-huh

Speaker 2:

it could be finished I wouldn't know what was on I (unclear) many a time I have to ru if I I like it I've got to run out (unclear) (laughter)

Speaker 1:

(laughter) that's right aye aye

Speaker 2:

then there'd be stuff burning (laughter)

Speaker 1:

aye (laughter)

Speaker 2:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

(laughter) but eh (pause) you usually stay in the house in fact at nights you don't (interruption) go you don't go out very often at night

Speaker 2:

oh aye I never gan out (pause) no if I gan out I take me bairns well I divn't gan out

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 2:

nah I never gan out

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

no I I'm never one for leaving me bairns I've never left me bairns I've always had them

Speaker 1:

no (pause) yeah (unclear)

Speaker 2:

I've always had well once or twice my man used to say 'howay and I'll take you out' oh I says 'no' I says 'no' I says 'no' well when he was all right then n the daughter used to say 'oh gan on mother gan out it'll do you good' well (pause) I sti I divn't know because I hadn't been out I I used to say 'oh when I gan out I like to have plenty in the cupboard'

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 2:

I like a good fire for them

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and I like to see that the me house is tidied up and everything's right

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and I I wanted them in the bath

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and I wanted them you know

Speaker 1:

yes aye

Speaker 2:

I wanted them everything all right but when I well did gan out with him I used to be worried that I couldn't enjoy mesel because I had left them

Speaker 1:

aye I know what you mean mm

Speaker 2:

you know I was glad to get home to see if they were all right

Speaker 1:

hm did you

Speaker 2:

because if you heard it about little bairns have been left you know and left and they've been eh well (unclear) used to gan (unclear) you know

Speaker 1:

aye yes

Speaker 2:

and I (unclear) if owt happens to mine I I I says 'I I never gan out' (unclear) I says 'I never gan out' like (pause) but they're big enough to watch theirselves now

Speaker 1:

aye (pause) yeah (pause) eh this is a this is a question you don't have to answer if you don't want eh but eh (pause) would you tell us which way you vote

Speaker 2:

vote

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

n I vote for Labour

Speaker 1:

yeah and eh do you always vote the same way

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

mm-hm yeah is that eh (pause) why do you think that is why do you think you always vote the same way (interruption) is it b

Speaker 2:

because we're only poor people we're only labouring people that's all

Speaker 1:

aye you you think it's proper that you should (interruption) vote for that party like you know aye

Speaker 2:

uh-huh (pause) we're just labouring people

Speaker 1:

yeah (pause) eh (pause) do you think eh (pause) I mean do you think the Labour party you know is really good for working people (pause) you know

Speaker 2:

oh I think so

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

I I I think so mesel I think it's a pity the man eh (pause) I think we're sorry mesel that they voted do you not think so

Speaker 1:

ooo aye I think so aye

Speaker 2:

I I'm not mind you I know nowt about politics (interruption) I haven't had any education (laughter)

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

but I can see eh (pause) I mean I cannot (interruption) pick the paper up and read you know

Speaker 1:

aye (pause) yeah

Speaker 2:

but I I just watch the (pause) antics

Speaker 1:

aye (laughter)

Speaker 2:

but I think mesel the man (pause) I mean (pause) the man (pause) he was in a lot of difficulties hisself he was in a lot of debt

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and he's never he did help with the best way he could but I think he was just on the verge of finishing his debt and they've they've all voted for the other fella (pause) (interruption) you see

Speaker 1:

mm-hm aye that's yes (interruption) aye they were getting there as well like

Speaker 2:

and I think they've eh if they had a (unclear) it would've been all

Speaker 1:

mm-hm yes

Speaker 2:

it's just like well at at home when you just everything's gan there's another

Speaker 1:

mm-hm aye

Speaker 2:

and I think the man was in a lot of difficulties and he had getting it all (pause) (interruption) just about finished

Speaker 1:

aye that's right aye

Speaker 2:

then they start voting

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

then the that poor man got out

Speaker 1:

aye yeah nearly there and eh (pause) do you usually vote eh in every election do you usually turn out to vote like

Speaker 2:

I vote for the council

Speaker 1:

aye you do (unclear) aye

Speaker 2:

(unclear) vote for the council

Speaker 1:

you do for that aye (pause) okay (pause) ehm

Speaker 2:

oh me man used to believe in voting he did 'put your vote in'

Speaker 1:

mm-hm (pause) aye quite right too

Speaker 2:

he said 'put your vote in'

Speaker 1:

yes (pause) eh (pause) now if we could just talk about eh what we are most interested in like that's the way you talk and that you know

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

ehm (pause) do you think that you ever change the way you talk according to the person you're talking to

Speaker 2:

do you ever change

Speaker 1:

mm do you think you every change it

Speaker 2:

div I ever change the way I oh me wey no

Speaker 1:

definitely not

Speaker 2:

I'm still I I could gan away to America I would still talk the same way

Speaker 1:

wey aye

Speaker 2:

I (unclear) believe in that

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

get away

Speaker 1:

do you think eh do you think everybody should do that like do you not y (pause) (interruption) you don't believe in people changing

Speaker 2:

well eh it's just pride you know they like theirsels that's all

Speaker 1:

(unclear) aye

Speaker 2:

just like theirsels swell headed that's all just like their money man (unclear) they get off

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

they forget well I couldn't be like that

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 2:

I'd be just the same (interruption) in me own way

Speaker 1:

even if you aye even if you had money like you reckon

Speaker 2:

if I had money (pause) I would still be the same way the same talker I would never forget (unclear)

Speaker 1:

aye I see

Speaker 2:

oh I couldn't I would think about me hard me hardships me hard times

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

I would never forget

Speaker 1:

n eh (pause) and ehm (pause) what about eh (pause) other accents of England you know like Cockney accents or Liverpool accents do you like to hear people (unclear) like that

Speaker 2:

what

Speaker 1:

you know ah eh Cockney accents or Liverpool accents you know do you like to hear people talking in them

Speaker 2:

well I like to hear a nice talker you know (pause) a nice talker

Speaker 1:

aye w what do you mean by a nice talker like

Speaker 2:

well I think it's different from your own like you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

if they're a nice eh spoken people

Speaker 1:

like on on the television for instance (pause) the people on the television

Speaker 2:

if they're nice eh spoken people

Speaker 1:

uh-huh

Speaker 2:

I wouldn't like nae skitty remarks (pause) (interruption) not like that

Speaker 1:

aye (pause) yes (pause) yeah (pause) what eh what sort of things do you think you can tell about somebody from the way he talks do you ever do you ever guess things about people from the way they talk you know (pause) you know what I mean

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no I mean eh

Speaker 2:

I I I'm a person that feels sorry for a person that eh if they stutter or owt like that

Speaker 1:

aye I was thinking more about eh (pause) you know just their ordinary pronunciation you know I mean what do you think about me for instance from the way I talk

Speaker 2:

oh you're all right (unclear)

Speaker 1:

do you think I talk just more or less

Speaker 2:

wey aye yes (unclear)

Speaker 1:

aye just an ordinary Gateshead sort of person

Speaker 2:

just an ordinary you are

Speaker 1:

aye yeah (pause) and do you think I talk (pause) more or less the same as you

Speaker 2:

no you're more (unclear) politer

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

I'm a re I'm a real Tynesider

Speaker 1:

aye not as Tyneside as you

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

but

Speaker 2:

you're

Speaker 1:

but definitely Tyneside

Speaker 2:

aye (pause) aye

Speaker 1:

aye (pause) I mean you would be able to tell I came from Gateshead if I hadn't told you

Speaker 2:

oh aye I would mind you come from Gateshead but you're more politer

Speaker 1:

yeah (laughter)

Speaker 2:

I would know

Speaker 1:

ehm (pause) eh now (pause) eh I'm going to read out this list of words and ehm (pause) for each one I would just like to know if it's a word you use you know if if you're if you're familiar with it like you know

Speaker 2:

(unclear) (laughter)

Speaker 1:

eh they're all sort of local words you know you probably you you you probably know them all you know (laughter) eh (pause) aside for beside (pause) do you say 'it's just aside the fire'

Speaker 2:

eh what

Speaker 1:

do you say 'it's just aside the fire' (interruption) would you say that

Speaker 2:

aye (unclear)

Speaker 1:

aye that's okay eh (pause) bairn (pause) bairn

Speaker 2:

bare

Speaker 1:

bairn

Speaker 2:

bairn

Speaker 1:

aye 'the little bairns' aye

Speaker 2:

oh I say 'the bairns'

Speaker 1:

yeah aye

Speaker 2:

'the bairns'

Speaker 1:

yeah bait

Speaker 2:

ba

Speaker 1:

bait

Speaker 2:

what's that

Speaker 1:

no what you take to work

Speaker 2:

bacon

Speaker 1:

no bait

Speaker 2:

bait

Speaker 1:

no (pause) you know what a bloke takes to work with him

Speaker 2:

oh his bait

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

his bait

Speaker 1:

you do u you would use that word

Speaker 2:

I use bait but not eh what eh (pause) bait

Speaker 1:

bait aye (laughter)

Speaker 2:

aye (pause) (laughter)

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) beck

Speaker 2:

beck

Speaker 1:

meaning a stream

Speaker 2:

means what

Speaker 1:

a stream

Speaker 2:

a stream

Speaker 1:

do you use it

Speaker 2:

oh I divn't know nothing about that (pause) no

Speaker 1:

no no don't use that one eh

Speaker 2:

but I'm not educated man I telt you

Speaker 1:

oh I I think it's a local word actually

Speaker 2:

is it

Speaker 1:

aye I think so ehm bonny

Speaker 2:

money

Speaker 1:

no bonny

Speaker 2:

bonny oh aye bonny

Speaker 1:

aye you would use that aye

Speaker 2:

I used that a lot bonny (laughter)

Speaker 1:

aye eh (pause) bray

Speaker 2:

bread

Speaker 1:

no bray

Speaker 2:

bray that's hitting

Speaker 1:

for to hit aye you would would you use that

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

yeah (pause) ehm (pause) bullets

Speaker 2:

oh aye sweets uh-huh

Speaker 1:

that's sweets aye (pause) eh clamming (pause) clamming

Speaker 2:

clamming that's hungry

Speaker 1:

aye you would use that aye

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

ehm (pause) boody

Speaker 2:

boody glass eh

Speaker 1:

boody aye (pause) uh-huh you would use it

Speaker 2:

that's glass eh (interruption) crockery broken (interruption) you know plates owt like that

Speaker 1:

(interruption) aye (interruption) aye (unclear) (pause) aye eh (pause) clarts

Speaker 2:

clarts aye that's the

Speaker 1:

aye eh (pause) coin (pause) coin

Speaker 2:

coin

Speaker 1:

aye coin a corner

Speaker 2:

coin a corner aye

Speaker 1:

aye would you say that

Speaker 2:

oh aye

Speaker 1:

aye (pause) aye

Speaker 2:

sometimes turn a corner coin a corner aye

Speaker 1:

eh cree

Speaker 2:

tree

Speaker 1:

no cree

Speaker 2:

cree

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

cree (pause) I divn't know I've ever heard

Speaker 1:

pigeon cree no

Speaker 2:

oh the pigeon (interruption) cree aye

Speaker 1:

aye yes you would eh (pause) dunch (pause) use it (pause) would you use that

Speaker 2:

Dutch

Speaker 1:

dunch

Speaker 2:

dun oh I divn't use that

Speaker 1:

wouldn't no

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) fettle

Speaker 2:

fettle yeah aye I use that

Speaker 1:

aye you use that eh (pause) gully gully

Speaker 2:

gully what's that

Speaker 1:

eh bread knife

Speaker 2:

n ah the gully

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

no I divn't use that (interruption) divn't use a gully

Speaker 1:

you wouldn't use it no ehm (pause) howk

Speaker 2:

howk a howking

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

sometimes

Speaker 1:

sometimes

Speaker 2:

not very very seldom

Speaker 1:

yeah (pause) ehm (pause) hoy

Speaker 2:

hurry

Speaker 1:

hoy no hoy (interruption) for aye

Speaker 2:

hoy oh aye when you're hoying

Speaker 1:

aye mm-hm

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

ehm (pause) eh (pause) lowe

Speaker 2:

lo load

Speaker 1:

no a lowe for a light

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no ehm (pause) eh mense do you say 'be more to your mense to get some work done' or (unclear)

Speaker 2:

no I've never

Speaker 1:

wouldn't use that no eh (pause) parky

Speaker 2:

parky

Speaker 1:

aye about your about your food

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

aye mm-hm mm-hm

Speaker 2:

very parky aye

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) ehm (pause) mell

Speaker 2:

smell or (unclear)

Speaker 1:

no mell

Speaker 2:

mell no

Speaker 1:

no for a hammer

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 2:

never use that

Speaker 1:

ehm (pause) knooled

Speaker 2:

knooled

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

(unclear) been knooled

Speaker 1:

being knooled aye

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

you use that uh-huh (pause) eh I think (unclear)

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