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Speaker 1:

interviewerTLSG29

Speaker 2:

informantTLSG29a

Age Group:

41-50

Gender:

Male

Residence:

Tyneside - Gateshead

Education:

Left school at 14

Occupation:

Plumber

Speaker 3:

informantTLSG29b

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Speaker 1:

could you tell us first whereabouts you were born please

Speaker 2:

Gateshead

Speaker 1:

were you whereabouts

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) forty nine Windsor

Speaker 1:

oh in this very road

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

and eh (pause) whereabouts else did you live you know how long did you live there

Speaker 2:

oh I've lived in this street all my life

Speaker 1:

have you oh just (pause) in the t in the two houses

Speaker 2:

no three three houses

Speaker 1:

is that eh is that because you like this eh this area a lot

Speaker 2:

well it's a case of where you could get a house (unclear) (laughter) wanted one

Speaker 1:

aye eh do you think it's a good place to live you know

Speaker 2:

oh it's all right there's worse places

Speaker 1:

aye yes ehm (pause) do you think you would ever (pause) be willing to move away from Gateshead you know

Speaker 2:

eh no I don't think so

Speaker 1:

no not (pause) to anywhere else in the country you know

Speaker 2:

no I don't think so eh all my b b b business is in Gateshead so (interruption) you've got to stop where that is

Speaker 1:

aye (pause) yeah yes you wouldn't what about you know if you got offered a rather better job somewhere else in the country would that tempt you to go do you think

Speaker 2:

it might but (unclear) doubt it (laughter)

Speaker 1:

(laughter) it would have to be a good bit better aye eh (pause) do you find that people from Tyneside are very different from people from other parts of the country you know (pause) in your experience

Speaker 2:

well there is places that're different (pause) a different way of going on not so so so sociable elsewhere

Speaker 1:

is that true do you reckon

Speaker 2:

that's what I've found like

Speaker 1:

aye people are more friendly up here then yeah (pause) eh so you've never really been away from Tyneside at all for for very long (interruption) periods

Speaker 2:

always lived on Tyneside

Speaker 1:

yes ehm (pause) what about your parents where were they born

Speaker 2:

Gateshead

Speaker 1:

both in Gateshead and they lived here all their lives uh-huh very local sort of eh (unclear) ehm (pause) and eh (pause) what was your father's occupation please

Speaker 2:

plumber

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) just to finish off the facts ehm how old are you at the moment

Speaker 2:

forty eight

Speaker 1:

(unclear) ta and eh do you own this house or rent it or

Speaker 2:

we're buying it

Speaker 1:

you're buying yes you own it yourself in fact yes I'm surprised anybody owns a house ehm (pause) is is your wife from Gateshead as well

Speaker 3:

yes

Speaker 1:

yes (unclear) do you have any children

Speaker 2:

three

Speaker 1:

what eh (interruption) how old are they

Speaker 2:

two daughters and a son

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) about how old are they

Speaker 2:

one's twenty two seventeen fifteen

Speaker 1:

yes do they all live here still (pause) eh (pause) whereabouts do you work at the moment

Speaker 2:

oh I work for myself

Speaker 1:

do you what eh (pause) what kind of business (unclear) you (unclear)

Speaker 2:

plumber

Speaker 1:

do you oh I see yes doing eh

Speaker 2:

just repairs alterations

Speaker 1:

yes fairly locally you'd say

Speaker 2:

oh it's all just locals see

Speaker 1:

yeah yeah ehm (pause) is there just you does the work or do you employ you know other people

Speaker 2:

no I've got an appre prentice that's all

Speaker 1:

yes yes eh have you been in this eh (pause) line of business all your life (unclear)

Speaker 2:

oh aye

Speaker 1:

yes you served your apprenticeship

Speaker 2:

aye since leaving school

Speaker 1:

is it yes ehm (pause) do you e enjoy your kind of work you know do you think it's

Speaker 2:

oh you've got to now

Speaker 1:

(laughter) you're sort of eh (pause) content work like (unclear)

Speaker 2:

oh aye

Speaker 1:

yeah (pause) what's eh (pause) what's it like being your own boss you know have you have you ever worked you've worked for somebody else presumably once upon a time like

Speaker 2:

aye once

Speaker 1:

do you prefer sort of being your own boss and sort of

Speaker 2:

well you can please yourself when you're your own boss

Speaker 1:

yeah eh (pause) ehm (pause) do you think eh if you were to change your job you know if you can imagine changing your job do you think you would prefer one that was ehm (pause) say that had more security to it or that or one that sort of paid a lot of money straight away you know (pause) what kind

Speaker 2:

well a one with more security

Speaker 1:

you're thinking that that that's pretty important in fact (unclear)

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) how old were you eh when you left school please

Speaker 2:

fourteen

Speaker 1:

mm do you think you were glad to leave school or not did you enjoy it

Speaker 2:

oh I liked school

Speaker 1:

hmm eh (pause) did you have any ehm (pause) you know further education after you left school did you (interruption) go to any

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

you didn't go to night classes or anything (interruption) like that as an apprentice

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

I suppose they did they didn't do it as much (interruption) then

Speaker 2:

well they didn't have it (interruption) then

Speaker 1:

as much then no no ta do you think eh you know looking back on the whole of your education like would you say it eh (pause) had been worth very much to you in your life you know since you left school

Speaker 2:

wey I could have made it bet bet bet bet if I'd went farther afield I could have had a better education

Speaker 1:

yeah do you wish you had in fact

Speaker 2:

well if I'd went to night schools and all that carried on at school wey I would have

Speaker 1:

mm and do you think it would be w do you think it would have been useful to you

Speaker 2:

oh yes

Speaker 1:

yes what about eh (pause) your own children you know have you e a any of them still at school

Speaker 2:

oh no no they've all (unclear)

Speaker 1:

they've all left have they yeah ehm how do you feel about kids staying on at school you know do you usually do you think it's a good thing for kids to stay on after fifteen you know

Speaker 2:

wey it pays them to when they get all their O levels A levels (interruption) and that

Speaker 1:

aye aye you reckon it's (interruption)

Speaker 2:

because you go for a job now that's the first thing they ask you

Speaker 1:

yes yes you reckon it's it's worth staying on rather than (unclear)

Speaker 2:

oh it's worth it staying on

Speaker 1:

yes eh (pause) eh do you think that's eh just as important for boys as for girls you know

Speaker 2:

oh aye equal

Speaker 1:

yes for both yeah ehm (pause) could you tell us please what eh what kinds of things do you like to do in your spare time you know when you when you've finished work and that what ehm (interruption)

Speaker 2:

wey gardening mostly

Speaker 1:

yeah whereabout w have you got an allotment like

Speaker 2:

an allotment aye

Speaker 1:

whereabouts

Speaker 2:

in Gateshead

Speaker 1:

up the road here

Speaker 2:

oh no round by the Co op

Speaker 1:

is it yes sort of (pause) all your vegetables and that (interruption) you grow them yourself very good

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

is that where you've been all the time when I keep sort of

Speaker 2:

oh wey partly

Speaker 1:

uh-huh you seem to be a very busy man you know it's sort of

Speaker 2:

oh I'm always out

Speaker 1:

yeah yeah but do you go out ehm to pubs and that you know

Speaker 2:

oh aye I like to drink

Speaker 1:

very often you know quite often sort of once a week or more

Speaker 2:

no more than that

Speaker 1:

more than that yeah

Speaker 2:

yeah

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) what about eh watching the television you know do you watch television very much

Speaker 2:

oh no no

Speaker 1:

not particularly

Speaker 2:

(unclear) bother much

Speaker 1:

yes (pause) there's no ehm (pause) no particular programmes you like to watch is there

Speaker 2:

wey just sport of a Saturday afternoon

Speaker 1:

aye yeah (pause) is the television usually on you know I mean of a night time

Speaker 2:

it's (interruption) on from start until it finishes

Speaker 3:

it's never off (laughter)

Speaker 1:

it's on all the time is it

Speaker 2:

it's always on

Speaker 1:

aye but that's that's not because you're really sort of (interruption) paying close (unclear) to it like it's just sort of on

Speaker 2:

oh no it's just habit (unclear)

Speaker 1:

aye yes

Speaker 3:

speak the truth it's because I'm never out (laughter) I watch it

Speaker 1:

(laughter) I see yes yeah ehm (pause) do you think there's eh you know in the way of recreation activities like do you think there's any things that you know you would have liked to have done but you've never really got round to or you've never had the chance to do you know any things like that

Speaker 2:

no I don't think so

Speaker 1:

you're sort of pretty content with your (interruption) life as it it is let's say

Speaker 2:

I'm content with what I've done

Speaker 1:

aye yeah yeah what eh (pause) what do you think would happen say if you won the pools this week you know what eh (pause) what difference do you think it would make to you

Speaker 2:

(unclear) might not make all that much difference

Speaker 1:

(unclear) would you (pause) eh (pause) get a different house for instance (unclear)

Speaker 2:

oh most likely

Speaker 1:

aye yes

Speaker 2:

get a better house

Speaker 1:

whereabouts in Gateshead

Speaker 2:

aye in Gateshead

Speaker 1:

(unclear) but eh (pause) wouldn't sort of (pause) you don't think it would change your way of life very much you know

Speaker 2:

no I don't think so

Speaker 1:

still live more or less the same way

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

yeah yeah what about your job do you think you would keep on doing your job

Speaker 2:

oh yes

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

yes eh (pause) these are just a couple of questions about eh some of your opinions on eh a couple of ordinary matters eh what do you think that parents should do when their children misbehave you know what kind of policy do you have about eh restraining them when they're badly behaved

Speaker 2:

oh they want checking

Speaker 1:

aye and how do you h how do you do that I mean

Speaker 2:

wey make them stay in that hurts more than anything

Speaker 1:

aye rather than sort of giving them a lacing like

Speaker 2:

oh aye

Speaker 1:

yes yes yes (pause) and what about you know say a young person of sixteen or so what eh (pause) what kind of control do you think their parents should have over them very much or

Speaker 2:

oh I think so

Speaker 1:

st still quite a lot in fact at that age yes bout eh would you want to sort of say what time they came in of a night for instance

Speaker 2:

oh aye they should still toe the line and do what they're told

Speaker 1:

yeah (pause) eh (pause) this is eh a question we ask people you don't have to answer it if you want you know because some people don't eh which way do you vote

Speaker 2:

Tory mostly

Speaker 1:

do you pr ehm (pause) you say mostly do you sometimes vote another way

Speaker 2:

wey for the for the c council in Gateshead Labour always win (interruption) so it wouldn't really matter

Speaker 1:

that's true aye (pause) yeah but eh (pause) but you do vote Conservative (interruption) pretty regularly (unclear)

Speaker 2:

oh yes aye

Speaker 1:

why do you think that is is it eh you know why do you vote that way

Speaker 2:

oh I just believe in them that's all

Speaker 1:

do you think ehm (pause) is it because do you think their party does a better job I mean do you think they run the country better

Speaker 2:

I think they do

Speaker 1:

is or is it because eh you know do you have any sort of belief in their principles or something like that knowing eh

Speaker 2:

no wey to me they are b b business people

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and eh I mean to say that to to to to run the country it's j it's j just like a business

Speaker 1:

aye yes yeah mm so you feel as if they know the job better (interruption) (unclear) aye yes

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

right do you do you ehm (pause) do you usually vote every time you know I mean in every in every election

Speaker 2:

oh yes

Speaker 1:

the local election (interruption) as well as

Speaker 3:

(unclear)

Speaker 1:

what eh (pause) what do you think of the way this government's running the country you know do you have any complaints about about the present government

Speaker 2:

well they're all right the only thing I've got against them is the way they treat them when they're when they're on the dole and all the rest of it

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

well it's t too easy for them

Speaker 1:

you think they give too much out do you

Speaker 2:

wey aye

Speaker 1:

do you think ehm (pause) do you think people would be more likely to work in fact if you know

Speaker 2:

well if they got less they would have to work wouldn't they

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

it's too easy for them

Speaker 1:

mmm do you think it's eh (pause) do you think there's a lot of people who are sort of drawing the dole who you know could work but don't want to or do you think it's just a small number

Speaker 2:

wey divn't know I think there's about fifty percent of them now

Speaker 1:

do you yeah

Speaker 2:

I don't think anybody believes in working

Speaker 1:

(laughter) yeah yeah but eh but you do presumably you would still you would still work even if you didn't have to

Speaker 2:

oh aye

Speaker 1:

mm yes sounds as if you enjoy your job quite a lot (laughter)

Speaker 2:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) if we could eh just go on to talk a little bit about the thing we are most interested in you know that's the way you talk and that and what you think about the way people talk ehm firstly do you think that you ever change the way you talk according to you know the circumstances or who you're talking to for instance you know or do you think

Speaker 2:

oh when you're talking to different people I think you talk different

Speaker 1:

you do talk different aye what eh (pause) what kinds of people you know who do you talk different to for example

Speaker 2:

well I would say (pause) you talk different eh (pause) to anybody in the church

Speaker 1:

you mean to a vicar or somebody (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 2:

a vicar or something like that you talk different to them to what you would to other people (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

or anybody that's higher than yourself like you talk different

Speaker 1:

I s I see aye yes what ab ehm how do you think you're talking now you know do you think this is I fairly is this the way you normally talk say (interruption)

Speaker 2:

oh aye I always talk this way

Speaker 1:

to your family like this would be more or less the way you're talking now

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

yes (pause) have you ever eh have you ever have you ever tried to make any permanent changes during your life in the way you talk you know have you ever eh (pause) you know (pause) tried to change it (interruption)

Speaker 2:

no I don't think so I've always talked the same

Speaker 1:

more or less the same ever since you were young like aye (pause) ehm (pause) would you say you like to hear people talking in local accents you know in ty in Tyneside accents

Speaker 2:

well it's all right when you're when you're talking to them but when you hear them on the wireless or the television (interruption) it sounds wicked

Speaker 1:

aye (pause) sounds terrible

Speaker 2:

murder

Speaker 1:

yes what do you think is that sort of because you you feel it's out of place on television or something or

Speaker 2:

well it just does

Speaker 1:

sounds as if you do (unclear) mm did you ever when your children were young did you ever used to correct them about the way they talk

Speaker 2:

well I don't think so

Speaker 1:

you ne you never used to sort of tell them not to say things like heed and

Speaker 2:

no well that's the way we all talk so

Speaker 1:

yes that's funny that because you know a lot of people correct their (interruption) kids about this

Speaker 2:

she'll not take any notice of them (unclear)

Speaker 1:

aye yes eh do you do you ever feel that eh (pause) if somebody talks like you you know say you meet somebody for the first time and they talk more or less the same as you do you feel as if you're more likely to get on with them you know do you have this feeling about people

Speaker 2:

oh yes I think so

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

you feel more equal to them (unclear)

Speaker 1:

yeah mm eh what about how do you react to other accents of England you know like Cockney accents or Liverpool accents do you like them

Speaker 2:

well I think I like the Scotch the best

Speaker 1:

do you

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

aye (pause) why is that any particular reason or just think it sounds nice

Speaker 2:

well I couldn't say I've always liked their way of talk

Speaker 1:

yes just just sounds nice

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) you know the way eh the way the newsreaders talk on the television when they read the news out you know Robert Dougal or somebody like that

Speaker 2:

oh (interruption) aye

Speaker 1:

you know you can imagine the way they talk eh (pause) how do react to that sort of accent you know do you like that way of speaking

Speaker 2:

well I never take any notice of them

Speaker 1:

oh you don't you don't really have any feelings about it

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

eh do you know anybody yourself who talks like that

Speaker 2:

no I don't think so

Speaker 1:

you can't really think of anybody in your own acquaintance who talks very like that you know yeah it's eh (pause) yeah it's not anyway common (unclear) you don't f ehm (pause) do you think if you did meet somebody who talked like that what would you think about them anything in particular

Speaker 2:

no I don't think so

Speaker 1:

you w you don't find it a sort of very posh way to talk for instance

Speaker 2:

no wey no

Speaker 1:

no eh (pause) it's funny that you don't have any s you know eh any reaction to it at all you know most people either sort of love it or they hate it you know it's eh

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) what eh (pause) what kinds of things do you think you can tell about somebody from the way they talk you know do you ever eh guess things about people from just their pronunciation and that you know

Speaker 2:

no I don't think so

Speaker 1:

no what about ehm do you think you could ever tell the difference say between a Tynesider who worked in an office and a Tynesider who worked in a factory you know what I mean

Speaker 2:

oh wey in a in an office they do eh (pause) they do talk eh (pause) just that b b b b bit better like

Speaker 1:

mm yes I think you know yeah I think you would probably be able to tell that (interruption) on the whole I think you would

Speaker 2:

oh aye

Speaker 1:

there's some exceptions like anyway eh (pause) what eh (pause) what kind of accent would you say I've got you know from what you've heard of us today

Speaker 2:

oh (unclear) just ordinary (laughter)

Speaker 1:

(unclear) do you think it's like yours or different

Speaker 2:

well it's a bit different like

Speaker 1:

mm-hm would you say I came from Tyneside

Speaker 2:

no I don't think so

Speaker 1:

you don't think so mm but it's mm yeah it's I do like you know

Speaker 2:

oh

Speaker 1:

I come from I come from Gateshead

Speaker 2:

from Gateshead

Speaker 1:

(unclear) I've lived in Gateshead all my life as well

Speaker 2:

aye but what part

Speaker 1:

ay

Speaker 2:

what part

Speaker 1:

eh Coatsworth Road

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

oh

Speaker 1:

(laughter) used to have a nephew (unclear) now so

Speaker 2:

oh

Speaker 1:

I mean I agree there there's a bit difference like between me and you you know but eh

Speaker 2:

oh aye

Speaker 1:

I would still have thought you might guess you know that I came from Tyneside

Speaker 3:

he reminds me of (NAME) your (NAME) the way he talks

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 1:

mm yeah I quite I quite often get that you know if he when I hear somebody I think ah he you know talks just like somebody else (unclear)

Speaker 3:

mm-hm even down to the beard (laughter)

Speaker 1:

oh I see yes it weighs my lower jaw down (unclear) eh (pause) can people usually tell that you come from Tyneside you know say

Speaker 2:

oh I think so

Speaker 1:

like if you're in other parts of the country or people you mm

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

yes ehm (pause) has anybody ever guessed you came from Gateshead you know say anybody from Newcastle guessed you're from Gateshead

Speaker 2:

no I don't think so

Speaker 1:

mm it's not very common (pause) ehm (pause) eh eh (pause) now ehm (pause) I'm just going to read out this list of words you know which are all sort of fairly localized words like and I would just like to know for each one ehm whether you use it you know yourself and secondly whether you're familiar with it you know I mean some of them you might know them but you wouldn't actually use them yourself you know ehm (pause) aside for beside do you say that

Speaker 2:

who

Speaker 1:

aside

Speaker 2:

aside like

Speaker 1:

it's just aside the fire

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

eh bairn

Speaker 2:

bairn yes

Speaker 1:

yeah eh bait

Speaker 2:

bait uh-huh

Speaker 1:

bonny

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

yes eh bray

Speaker 2:

uh-huh for to hit

Speaker 1:

aye for 'to hit' you use it

Speaker 2:

oh yes

Speaker 1:

ehm bullets

Speaker 2:

bullets aye

Speaker 1:

yes you usually call them that

Speaker 2:

oh yes

Speaker 1:

eh clamming

Speaker 2:

clamming aye often

Speaker 1:

often yes eh boody

Speaker 2:

boody no I don't think so

Speaker 1:

have you ever heard it I mean do you know it

Speaker 2:

oh I've heard it before aye

Speaker 1:

aye but you don't you don't normally (interruption) use it

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

coin coin a corner

Speaker 2:

coin (pause) uh-huh

Speaker 1:

you use it

Speaker 2:

oh no I don't use it like but I've (interruption) heard it

Speaker 1:

but you've heard it (pause) what about 'fettle'

Speaker 2:

fettle (pause) aye I often say that

Speaker 1:

for what eh wh what what does it mean like what do you use it for

Speaker 2:

well it's how how how how do you fettle and all that how do you feel (interruption) oh aye

Speaker 1:

feel in good fettle age what about to fettle something do you use it for that as well

Speaker 2:

no no

Speaker 1:

you don't say we'll sharp fettle this (unclear)

Speaker 2:

no no

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) gully

Speaker 2:

gully

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 2:

aye often

Speaker 1:

for a knife

Speaker 2:

eh

Speaker 1:

for a knife (pause) for the bread knife

Speaker 2:

aye mostly

Speaker 1:

yes yes ehm howk use it

Speaker 2:

no I don't think so

Speaker 1:

never use that for like 'to give somebody a good howking'

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no ehm (pause) ken for 'to know'

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no you never say do you ken him for do you know him

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

lowe

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

do you know what it means

Speaker 2:

what just lowe

Speaker 1:

lowe for a like

Speaker 2:

a lowe

Speaker 1:

uh-huh

Speaker 2:

oh aye a lowe

Speaker 1:

a flame or a light do you (unclear)

Speaker 2:

oh aye

Speaker 1:

right ehm (pause) mense do you say it'll be more to your mense to (interruption) get some work done

Speaker 2:

oh aye I'm often saying that

Speaker 1:

yes eh parky

Speaker 2:

parky aye

Speaker 1:

for 'fussy about your food' like yeah eh varnigh

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

never use it do you ever hear it no eh mell

Speaker 2:

aye at work

Speaker 1:

yes yes eh (pause) what about eh (pause) to be knooled do you use that

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no have you heard it

Speaker 2:

na

Speaker 1:

no well eh that's strange well eh

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