Archive Interview: TLSG28
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Speaker 1: | interviewerTLSG28 |
Speaker 2: | informantTLSG28 |
Age Group: | 61-70 |
Gender: | Male |
Residence: | Tyneside - Gateshead |
Education: | Left school at 14 |
Occupation: | Railway Engineer (retired) |
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born I was born in Gateshead |
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were you whereabouts |
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ten (unclear) Street |
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whereabouts is that |
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it's on the Windmill Hills there it's pulled down (interruption) now |
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oh aye it's not there anymore |
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aye |
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aye and where whereabouts else have you lived since then you know how long |
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oh eh (pause) I lived from there I went to eh (pause) Mulgrave Terrace |
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(unclear) |
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and from Mulgrave Terrace (pause) went to Chandler Street and Chandler Street to eh Saint James's Road |
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did you |
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Saint James's Road to eh (pause) Herbert |
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(unclear) how long have you been living here |
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eh (pause) about thirty three year (pause) thirty three year in this street now |
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yeah (pause) eh which which place have you liked best to live in you know (unclear) |
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oh I like Bensham best |
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yes I like living here best of course I was (pause) young you know just a child when we were in eh Mulgrave Terrace and these places |
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mm yeah |
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it's only eh (pause) I was married from Saint James's from eh Spencer Street |
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mm |
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and then went to and then after I lost the wife we went to live in Herbert Street with my mother and then |
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I see (pause) do you find the eh (pause) people around here are very friendly or not (interruption) (unclear) |
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oh yes yes now now I'll now I'll tell what I've noticed here now there's a lot of houses changed hands |
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you see over this last (pause) we'll say this last ten year |
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now I find this that (pause) the the people we had before seemed to know one another |
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(unclear) |
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you see we'd all lived here a good while |
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aye |
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ev everybody seemed to know what now this block I'm living on now |
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yeah |
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this block here (pause) now there's some of them on this block (pause) |
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yeah |
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now they've all moved off and passed on and |
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mm |
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and you know there there's only about three that I really know on this block now you see |
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aye yeah |
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and of course eh Oak owned all the property |
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mm-hm |
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he owned |
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aye I see yes |
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and the lady upstairs is that eh they own this house now |
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I see |
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they but they've been very very nice mind |
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aye (unclear) |
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ah yes |
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ehm (pause) do you eh are you pretty fond of Gateshead as a place to live |
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in Gateshead |
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aye |
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oh aye there's only one place in Gateshead I think I know every blade of grass is in it that's Saltwell Park (laughter) |
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(laughter) yes |
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well course (pause) and eh I used to travel a lot |
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oh aye |
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you know down the south and all over but but since my sister's been this last well last year at this time we were well |
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mm-hm |
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I have a brother lives down there we were staying down there (pause) and since she's come back course she had arthritis then in her leg but since she's she's deteriorated terrible and (pause) to make matters worse eh her memory's going you see now that was why I asked you to come back |
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yes |
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what are you wanting here you see in a minute you see |
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yeah |
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now for an instance (pause) she'd never seen the latest she has two doctors really you see now the lady doctor she had never seen her for about I would have think for about three year now she walked in to see her (pause) |
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(laughter) |
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and you see now just Tuesday gone (pause) the the Doctor (NAME) has been treating her for two year |
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aye aye |
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and he walked in just I knew the ring and the knock it was him and in he come well how are you |
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(laughter) |
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now you see |
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aye |
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now that's what the memory (interruption) it plays tricks on you yes |
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(pause) |
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oh aye and it makes it very awkward man |
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mm |
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you see it (pause) it's awkward in this way that eh (pause) we're brother and sister |
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mm |
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now a husband and wife can do a lot (pause) but when it comes to a |
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aye yes yeah |
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you see that's the that's the snag (pause) now such as eh she can't get into the bath but she can stand in a dish and sponge herself down but you can onlys but I get the lady to you know (unclear) to help oh I get help all right I'm all right that way |
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(unclear) |
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but it eh (pause) it does |
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aye aye (pause) you were saying you had sort of travelled round quite a lot like (unclear) |
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oh aye well you see well the reason why is because I've got free travel |
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aye |
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you see I worked on the railway all (interruption) practically all my life you see and I have free passes and I have a privileged (unclear) card |
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oh I see (pause) yes |
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well I mean it it works |
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mm-hm |
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now that's a big reduction and it's you know they're |
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yeah |
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they're things that well I mean y you just take a run up to Hexham run up to Hexham for a shilling you see and |
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mm-hm yeah yes |
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she she goes and lies down as soon as she gets her dinner (pause) but I'm chief cook and bottle washer and everything now |
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aye |
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aye yeah |
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ehm (pause) have you found that do you find that (pause) Tynesiders are very different from people from other parts of the country you know |
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aye |
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now I'll tell you for instance I've got eh I have a daughter lives in Manchester (pause) now I often go through there because I use my passes mostly going to Manchester and eh (pause) I find eh just going about eh you know the I don't |
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no |
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I don't e exactly just (pause) you know they shout so and eh there's not much give and take about them you know it's all take kind of thing what I've noticed and eh course I mean that's living in the houses where there're houses like these I don't know what (pause) |
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mm-hm yeah |
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you know in a self contained house (unclear) well oh the daughter lives in a self contained house now where she is is very very nice but it's when you go out into the street and you hear these people course mind you they might have a different dialect might make me think that |
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yes (unclear) yes well it could well be |
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you see |
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mm |
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but in this country alone I find out it doesn't matter no I'll give you an instance two year ago (pause) I went to Margate |
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aye |
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now there was four of us together (pause) and getting on I says bye jove I say we're going to be late for lunch we'd better hurry up so I says we'll get the bus up so we went to get the bus up and I just said to this chap I says eh four to the lido please just the same as I'm saying that to you |
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yeah yeah |
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and he says what part of Newcastle do |
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yes yeah that's good isn't it |
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I find that wherever you go now it was the same where went to Canterbury Cathedral |
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and eh I bought some corn there to feed the pigeons you know and I had a photograph taken feeding the pigeons and that (pause) and eh when I went into the shop for these and I came out and I s I says |
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(laughter) |
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now then I had a job (unclear) to convince her that I didn't belong to Scotland |
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aye |
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now she was taking me for to be Scottish |
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aye |
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I don't course I think myself (pause) |
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aye eh heh |
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well I think by you modernizing that you give a Scottish accent |
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aye yeah |
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I think that's what that's what I think but I was amazed when this chap says to me what part of Newcastle do you belong |
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yes |
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aye |
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in the thirties |
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aye oh I see he came (interruption) from here himself like |
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and he got a job onto the on the trams and then oh he was he was conducting on the busses |
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yeah |
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aye (pause) oh aye |
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aye (unclear) so you can (interruption) spot (unclear) |
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well mind eh Scotland I think takes a lot of beating for eh scenery and this sort of thing |
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aye |
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(unclear) |
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it's the same when we go when I |
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yeah |
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now you find yourselves in North Wales before you know where you are you're in Prestatyn or y you see |
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yeah |
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and it's an easy access |
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it is (unclear) |
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from there Southport and all these pl I don't care much for Blackpool it's too much of a |
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aye |
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aye yes (pause) aye |
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but I don't indulge in drink I've never have that I've never seen any I've never had the palate for it |
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no |
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I'm not I'm not going to say I've never tried because I have now I would be I'm not bigoted that way that if you if I met you in (unclear) and |
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aye |
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I'd have a shandy with you |
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aye |
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but eh I wouldn't have two |
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aye |
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you see you see what I mean I would have a drink but I wouldn't have two |
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mm-hm |
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oh no n no and then of course since I've been on my pension well you put a lot of them things to one side (laughter) |
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(laughter) (unclear) yeah yeah |
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eh whereabouts were your parents born were they born in Gateshead |
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eh (pause) now my grandparents was in Scotland yes they're both born in Gateshead but (unclear) eh (pause) I think on eh round about what they used to call the rabbit banks Pipewellgate I don't know whether you know it or not |
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yes aye |
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I think they were near to my mother and I think (unclear) was a (NAME) I think she was a native of that part |
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mm-hm |
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but eh (pause) I don't just know where (pause) my father was a Gateshead but I don't know just where |
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aye |
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you know |
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but your grandparents came from (interruption) Scotland |
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oh they came from Scotland yes |
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aye |
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yes |
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yes |
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and eh what was your father's occupation please |
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aye |
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he's a driller machines driller you know aye he was a driller |
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aye |
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I served my time in Carrick and Wardle's (pause) and then I left there and went to Usworth colliery and then from there I went into war |
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and then when I came out of there I went onto the railway and I I was on the railway for forty year (pause) (interruption) after that |
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yeah (pause) have you eh have you always worked in on the engineering side (interruption) of things (unclear) |
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ah yes so have I yes of course in the I was on more on the electrical side on the railway |
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oh I see yes |
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you see now all this Newcastle you had this modernisation |
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mm |
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now we wired all them up now many a time we put the air piping in from toward the pipes you see they were worked by the the magnet |
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aye I s |
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and the moment they turned the c the middle valve closed it |
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mm yes |
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and it couldn't move anymore then there were course all the colour lights they were on |
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yeah yes |
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we did all them and now you see all they're travelling all over wey they're all over from here to |
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aye aye and eh what what sort of job did you do at at eh Usworth pit |
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Usworth oh I was on the engineering side there as well you see I was in the the fitter shop |
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yeah |
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you know well if there was a breakdown down below you went down and tended to it |
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yes |
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they had a lot of compressed air engines and that down there and I think |
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yeah |
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well they called them beetles and eh (pause) them you know they were shifting them from place to place well you had to (pause) (interruption) lengthen their piping and oh you know that sort of thing |
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aye (pause) aye yeah yes |
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aye mm |
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because Usworth is a big colliery |
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yeah I've tal I was yeah I've I've interviewed a a bloke that (interruption) (unclear) |
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aye it was eh what there was three shafts there you know when I was there |
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aye |
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but after I came out the war after I came out the war in nineteen eighteen you know and then at |
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aye aye |
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aye that's right nineteen nineteen |
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aye oh I had a (pause) oh I never rued working for the railway mind I had I thoroughly enjoyed it |
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do you think that was the best job |
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well of course I was just on the railway you see eh you were never in the one place |
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you see now then there'll be a job in Newcastle (pause) big job and then you you get through that then there was a job cropped up at Acklington you'd be sent away to Acklington to do a job |
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aye |
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you see we had an area from Berwick |
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(unclear) |
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two mile past Berwick Marshal Meadows was the end of the North Eastern area |
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yeah |
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and then you went |
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aye |
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and then you went up you didn't go actually into Carlisle the Carlisle people l ms came this way (interruption) to Sprouston and then we worked from there you see |
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aye (pause) yeah |
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and then |
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(unclear) |
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aye and then there was eh there was the west line was always a favourite for everybodys |
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yeah |
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you know on the through Hexham and |
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aye it's nice (unclear) |
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Corbridge and ah very beautiful up there beautiful course mind you there |
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mm-hm |
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and this middle one was done away with well you weren't always eh greeted (laughter) you know |
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yes |
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and down to Sunderland |
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aye |
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you see the same with Newcastle you had three signal cabins in Newcastle (pause) well you had number one three and the middle one on number eight platform |
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aye |
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well then they built this new one they built a new one but the contractors did all the work inside that cabin a contract firm |
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aye |
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now that signal cabin in Newcastle works down to Heaton |
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aye |
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he works down to Heaton and then he works he works to Pelaw |
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and then he he up at Jesmond he goes he goes up to he goes up as far as eh goes |
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aye |
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you see oh aye thet're and that one there of course they have a big chart of the wherever the trains are the spotlights comes in wherever he is you see |
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aye |
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as he passes one place it goes out and then the next one comes in |
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yeah yeah |
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oh it's it's pretty foolproof you know but of course you you do get these |
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yes there's been (interruption) one or two lately yeah |
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you know well (pause) you can't say it's the human element because you're unless you run your head up again a brick wall but eh he's a lot of t (unclear) a lot you know (pause) oh aye |
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eh (pause) how old were you when you left school please |
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fourteen |
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aye |
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get s fetch some money in |
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yeah |
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aye I know how to get that I started at eh (pause) I used to be a weekend boy on Ellison Street where eh the big Presto is there now you know |
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mm yeah |
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it used to be Cook's (pause) grocer's shop used to work there at the weekend and |
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mm |
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Redheugh Engine Works we were down at the Redheugh where (pause) the the bridge is built now |
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mm-hm |
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there was a scrap yard at the bottom there but I think I think they're |
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(unclear) |
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well that's where the Redheugh Engine Works used to be before the King Edward bridge was built and they shifted then down Park Lane onto Park Road |
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mm-hm yes |
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and that was where my father was shifted to there and we came from Mulgrave Terrace when I told you up to Chandler Street and my my father didn't like Chandler Street we were in there about three weeks or something and then we shifted to Saint |
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aye yeah |
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and that was where eh (pause) served my time and put it all in there |
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when was eh when was the Redheugh bridge built do you know was it |
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Redheugh bridge |
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aye |
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the redh the Redheugh bridge |
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aye |
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oh I've no idea but the King Edward bridge (interruption) was built about nineteen hundred |
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aye yeah |
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that one |
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the Redheugh's earlier than (unclear) (unclear) |
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yes yes the Redheugh bridge was there then oh yes the Redheugh bridge was there then |
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yeah |
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and then there was the (pause) the swing and the high level (pause) you know a lot (pause) |
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quite right |
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the high level bridge now underneath that you've seen a bicycle chain |
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aye yeah |
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now all from one end to the other they're like chains together like that and then the big pin in you know |
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aye |
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and then the plate the see the plates a big pin in then |
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yeah |
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if it was happened to snap it would rest on them chains |
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it wouldn't go down the bottom |
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aye |
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but then there's a tunnel's underneath there |
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mm-hm |
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and you know you can go right to the foot of West Street where they're anchored |
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that's where they're anchored and periodically they're they're examined every year you know and eh (pause) painted and kept in good condition |
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aye |
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oh aye because (pause) many a time I used to be up over the top level just to look at them I was interested in them in these aye |
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yeah yeah mm |
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oh aye |
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eh going back to your eh school days like did you |
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well oh yes I I well I I I tell you what upset me a lot at eh now you see as I said we lived at eh I used to go to Barn Close school |
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now Barn Close school is not there now it's pulled down it's away (pause) |
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mm-hm (pause) aye |
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and eh then when we shifted away down to Sunderland Road area I had to go to Sunderland Road school (pause) you see |
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aye |
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now then this is what bothered me (pause) when we were at Barn Close school |
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now they got their algebra and mensuration at in standard four |
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well when I went to there I was all at sea |
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aye |
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I didn't |
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yeah |
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I didn't and then we went into five I used to come into four to learn this I couldn't pick it up the same way as I had these other lads could |
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aye |
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these other lads you see they had got it from the beginning well I went into it near the end of it as a class well I was at sea and I I w I was as you say well when it |
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aye (unclear) |
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no I never got a hold of it at all |
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it always upsets you (unclear) |
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and then eh and then at Sunderland Road school you know it wasn't like Barn Close to me and it's no good saying I liked it because I didn't (interruption) I was no |
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no (unclear) |
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oh I liked my school days and all that mind I did |
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oh my God |
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where nowadays they doesn't look at them |
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no they (interruption) (unclear) |
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I can give you an instant of the school across here |
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aye |
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I'm not going to mention no names I there was a boy of a playtime |
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aye |
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now then there was a teacher there he used to take them for he used to take them for eh all gymnastics and all this sort of thing cricket football all sorts he used to take them down to the shuttles and all that |
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aye |
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now then I think he's at Breckenbeds school now I'm not quite sure mind but anyway (pause) |
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aye |
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now if he had getten knocked down with a car or anything like that who was to blame now he was in the yard seeing that they didn't go out and this sort of thing there was always a teacher working in the yard |
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mm-hm |
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well what happened |
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aye |
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something like that but anyway |
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yeah |
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you see now then that get that didn't give that many of them any |
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whether you like it or not they had you know they could do that sort of thing |
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mm-hm |
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and I think they just (unclear) (pause) but that's what's lacking today I think they're just (unclear) them |
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aye |
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there's nothing to (unclear) them now |
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no |
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far from it |
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yes that (interruption) (unclear) |
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you know we did gymnastics in the yard (unclear) don't we didn't get |
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no |
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it it it's you've got to live with the times though |
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aye |
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you know and it's no good going back you've got to look forward |
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yeah do you think they do you think they were ever too strict at school when you were there |
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mm |
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do you think they were ever too strict at school you know when you were there |
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oh no well of course any boy naturally thought they would think that they were |
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aye |
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but |
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(unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
oh aye and then of course you see you heard a lot of people say the good old days you say oh well look at the money they get now aye yes but I remember |
Speaker 1: |
aye |
Speaker 2: |
penny a quarter you see but eh of course (unclear) the wages you see w my top wage was thirty seven shilling |
Speaker 1: |
mm mm |
Speaker 2: |
eh for a top rate rate wage was thirty seven shilling well you know what I mean (unclear) (laughter) |
Speaker 1: |
mm it's a good job that things have moved since then (laughter) |
Speaker 2: |
(laughter) (unclear) |
Speaker 1: |
(laughter) aye |
Speaker 2: |
but I but I don't know but |
Speaker 1: |
aye |
Speaker 2: |
now there used to be a two Ws shop used to deal in nothing but shirts men's shirts and underwear (pause) but this one in Newcastle dealt in nothing but bowler hats and shoes |
Speaker 1: |
yeah |
Speaker 2: |
it was on Clayton |
Speaker 1: |
(laughter) |
Speaker 2: |
they thought I'd gone mad |
Speaker 1: |
(unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
because I'd paid ten and five pence for them I wore those shoes for about five year and I give them to a cousin of mine before I went in the army |
Speaker 1: |
|
Speaker 2: |
ten and five wey but they were shoes not like what they get today |
Speaker 1: |
(laughter) |
Speaker 2: |
I mean you used to (unclear) (unclear) your parents kept a last at home |
Speaker 1: |
(unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
and they pay and then the children's shoes your father used to repair them |
Speaker 1: |
yeah yeah |
Speaker 2: |
now you try and repair a a kiddie's shoes you can't repair them |
Speaker 1: |
no |
Speaker 2: |
you see they're they're more or less all vulcanize |
Speaker 1: |
yes |
Speaker 2: |
now you just go farther down and look in the shop and you'll find you've got that to pay for a little child's coat two year old |
Speaker 1: |
mm |
Speaker 2: |
and there's most of that clothing for the kiddies you know |
Speaker 1: |
mm-hm |
Speaker 2: |
you see when they when they make ladies's coats they make they don't make one at a time they're they're done by the dozens in the bulk |
Speaker 1: |
mm |
Speaker 2: |
they roll the cloth back and forward I've seen it done |
Speaker 1: |
aye |
Speaker 2: |
they roll it back and then the big knife comes and cuts them out but where it's wasted you know there's a |
Speaker 1: |
aye |
Speaker 2: |
that that makes sides and backs of children's coats |
Speaker 1: |
(laughter) |
Speaker 2: |
that's surplus oh aye (laughter) I know that (unclear) (laughter) |
Speaker 1: |
(unclear) (laughter) |
Speaker 2: |
aye the my daughter's husband he used to work for that for he used to work for a firm like that in Manchester it was him who telt me and I says never he says (unclear) let you have a look around and he got us a look round and by I was surprised |
Speaker 1: |
(laughter) |
Speaker 2: |
aye at |
Speaker 1: |
aye |
Speaker 2: |
see all this what was going on and well all they had to find was buttons man the lining was the same |
Speaker 1: |
mm-hm |
Speaker 2: |
the lining was there they only had the buttons and trimmings |
Speaker 1: |
(laughter) |
Speaker 2: |
oh aye the well of course it's it's a gimmick in everything more or less everything now isn't it |
Speaker 1: |
aye (unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
(laughter) |
Speaker 1: |
eh could you tell us please eh just you know what sort of things you like to do in your spare |
Speaker 2: |
what div I like to do in my spare time well as I said to you there's nothing I used to like better than walking now I would walk to Newcastle have a good look round you know up to Exhibition Park and the likes of that but I used to get the tram or the bus back (pause) because in nineteen fifty eight I developed thrombosis in my left leg and that curtailed us |
Speaker 1: |
oh I see |
Speaker 2: |
but eh |
Speaker 1: |
yeah |
Speaker 2: |
oh yes I still like walking and that's what isay if I can just leave here just walk to Saltwell Park and spend an hour there and just having a walk around watch this that and the other have a look at the birds and that I'm very fond of birds and that oh aye I like to as s same as in here I've got the dish on the top there look and then eh |
Speaker 1: |
ah yeah |
Speaker 2: |
I get I get |
Speaker 1: |
uh-huh |
Speaker 2: |
I get blackbirds and all sorts |
Speaker 1: |
aye |
Speaker 2: |
comes here |
Speaker 1: |
aye (interruption) it's surprising how many birds (unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
course I put nuts and everything you know for them and (unclear) but in the summer time they're you don't see much of them because I expect they'll be getting soft grub then you know flies and things |
Speaker 1: |
aye yes |
Speaker 2: |
but I've got my regular sparrows here (laughter) they're they're funny man (laughter) I |
Speaker 1: |
yes |
Speaker 2: |
you see them come and I can go and stand in the yard and they'll not fly away they'll just stop there |
Speaker 1: |
yeah |
Speaker 2: |
and there's one comes and it's as true as I'm sitting here and it'll come and peck on this window hit the window with its beak and yet if I open the door it'll fly away back to the wall it doesn't stop there |
Speaker 1: |
(unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
but it's wanting me to put some bread out |
Speaker 1: |
(unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
oh aye they come and tell you |
Speaker 1: |
mm-hm |
Speaker 2: |
she thoroughly enjoys watching the birds |
Speaker 1: |
there's been a lot of |
Speaker 2: |
aye now such as now you see now as I was saying now (unclear) going down to Margate now it doesn't matter where I go (pause) I |
Speaker 1: |
yeah |
Speaker 2: |
I don't know whether I d whether I'm daft or what but I can see the I can see the beauty in the building |
Speaker 1: |
aye oh I I I am the same |
Speaker 2: |
you know now then if you notice this I've often noticed the central station I don't suppose a lot of people'll ever notice it when you come out the (unclear) and walk all up towards the bus station |
Speaker 1: |
mm |
Speaker 2: |
|
Speaker 1: |
mm-hm |
Speaker 2: |
where them stones are |
Speaker 1: |
aye |
Speaker 2: |
and the join to the wall |
Speaker 1: |
yeah yeah |
Speaker 2: |
it's just like a pencil joint you know |
Speaker 1: |
mm very well (unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
well that them stones is got to be true to sit true |
Speaker 1: |
aye |
Speaker 2: |
on a thin joint like that where the others you can pile the cement in and |
Speaker 1: |
that's right yeah yes |
Speaker 2: |
work it aye and you know things like (pause) |
Speaker 1: |
oh aye yes yeah it is |
Speaker 2: |
but I suppose that's progress isn't it |
Speaker 1: |
oh they don't half throw them up like (interruption) I mean they get them up in no time you know |
Speaker 2: |
phwor not half well there's that Jewish synagogue up here where they're building those new (interruption) places there |
Speaker 1: |
oh aye yeah |
Speaker 2: |
well they've been on near nearly two year with that lot |
Speaker 1: |
yeah (pause) that's brickwork |
Speaker 2: |
course that's ch |
Speaker 1: |
is it |
Speaker 2: |
(unclear) yes |
Speaker 1: |
(unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
they're sleeping quarters you see the other side the park that's what amuses me now a little thing like that now the other side is that they made it like a an open space |
Speaker 1: |
yes |
Speaker 2: |
we know we know you've got to have these spaces |
Speaker 1: |
aye |
Speaker 2: |
well then that was all it was a oh ramshackle of a place that |
Speaker 1: |
(unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
then when the |
Speaker 1: |
oh aye |
Speaker 2: |
you see now after the war the Jews wanted to buy that land and have a school and what do you know they've built on there next to the synagogue a sc and no they wouldn't hear tell of it |
Speaker 1: |
(unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
you see oh no it had to be an open (interruption) space |
Speaker 1: |
had to be open aye |
Speaker 2: |
now yet if you notice up here round the lane they've got a |
Speaker 1: |
(unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
well where they could have you see they're paying they're paying wages and rates you know |
Speaker 1: |
yeah |
Speaker 2: |
to look after that park where otherwise they would have had rates coming in off it with this with the buildings |
Speaker 1: |
yes |
Speaker 2: |
they're paying to keep it where they should have had rates coming in for it |
Speaker 1: |
aye I think they must be thinking |
Speaker 2: |
oh no I know oh no I say you you I'm not eh condemning the open space but you can look at it on the other way they're paying to keep that where they should have had rates coming in (interruption) for a pla y (unclear) you know |
Speaker 1: |
yes |
Speaker 2: |
instead of that they're paying out for it and you know you know what (unclear) they built a lovely shed there you know |
Speaker 1: |
mm-hm |
Speaker 2: |
in the water |
Speaker 1: |
(unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
wey aye there was some I suppose I didn't see it mind but they tell me there was some queer things went on there (laughter) |
Speaker 1: |
aye |
Speaker 2: |
wey aye they had to take it down at the finish man (pause) wey aye and then they had a drinking fountain and it was s smashed |
Speaker 1: |
oh they never survive them like even the ones in Saltwell Park (interruption) (unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
aye it's it's a shame you know |
Speaker 1: |
never work (laughter) (unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
no that's one thing this vandalism I don't know what in the name it was or what's (pause) course there's no doubt about it the there's a lot of them that get far too much through their hands man |
Speaker 1: |
(unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
|
Speaker 1: |
there was some nasty trouble about week ago in Newcastle (interruption) (unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
and then you see I've seen it happen twice I've seen it happen in Jackson Street and I've seen it happen outside Woolworth's an old woman an old lady coming out but you take notice when you leave here (pause) when you leave here just |
Speaker 1: |
(unclear) |
Speaker 2: |
now I've seen that I've seen two women knocked on the hand drop their purse and up and off well to me they they ask for that |
Speaker 1: |
yes |
Speaker 2: |
I mean they know the state of things is and |
Speaker 1: |
yeah |
Speaker 2: |
why |
Speaker 1: |
do you eh do you play bowls as well you say |
Speaker 2: |
no no no no you see the (pause) you see with this leg of mine I I don't |
Speaker 1: |
aye |
Speaker 2: |
you know I'm happy to be walking about and do what I want to do but stooping down too much would be too much for us |
Speaker 1: |
aye |
Speaker 2: |
|
Speaker 1: |
mm-hm |
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