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Speaker 1:

interviewerTLSG27

Speaker 2:

informantTLSG27

Age Group:

21-30

Gender:

Male

Residence:

Tyneside - Gateshead

Education:

Left school at 15

Occupation:

Maintenance Fitter

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  Interview Transcript

Speaker 2:

and eh modernisation (unclear)

Speaker 1:

yeah and you know also to see how eh you know what makes different people talk differently like you know

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

I mean whether (pause) eh (pause) well you know that that th eh say working blokes you know how they can tend to talk different from say blokes in offices and things like this

Speaker 2:

oh that's right aye

Speaker 1:

it's that kind of thing you know so we thought the only way we could do it was just to get collect as absolutely much information as we could you know about eh (pause) about a lot of people

Speaker 2:

were these picked at random these eh

Speaker 1:

that's right aye they were

Speaker 2:

I was wondering how you got the address like

Speaker 1:

aye it's straight out the electoral register you know so it's just sheer (pause) sheer random (unclear)

Speaker 2:

uh-huh because eh (pause) which I (pause) I found that eh when you go tiv a pub or something eh well to me eh it depends on what kind of job you've got I mean like me I'm just a like a shop worker you know off the floor like but when you get higher up once you can say you know the eh (pause) the speech does change a bit and I've often been in pubs where you might've you might be sitting in a corner and there's eh your sort of (pause) your squad's here and you can hear the other squad you know

Speaker 1:

aye that's right

Speaker 2:

listening to them you can hear them and you just sort you know takes your attention and you look like

Speaker 1:

aye you can tell the difference like

Speaker 2:

which is eh (pause) you know you think you think to yourself well that can not be off the factory floor like

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

which doesn't make any difference to me like

Speaker 1:

no no but but it's a way of finding out something about other people that you know (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 2:

aye you could as you say as I say you could say well that's them are not off the factory floor you could be wrong like because eh you know it could be just where they come from like different eh (pause) different languages

Speaker 1:

that's possible aye aye I mean it could be that eh I mean even where you come from in Gateshead you know might have some effect on your dialect you know it doesn't it doesn't seem to have a very strong effect but it's possible you know I mean you might be able to say the people who live down the Teams for instance you know I mean might tend to talk different from people (interruption) you know

Speaker 2:

well I I'd say that's where I come from

Speaker 1:

was it (interruption) aye

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

when (pause) were you born down there like

Speaker 2:

aye I was born down the Teams and the area I lived got pulled down and then you know eh (pause) wey we just got a house offered up here so we came that's it that was it yeah

Speaker 1:

yes which which street did you used to live in down there

Speaker 2:

ehm (pause) South Pine Street where the Salvation Army is

Speaker 1:

aye (interruption) yes

Speaker 2:

as I say now it's pulled down now like

Speaker 1:

aye one side of Pine Street's down but the other side's (interruption) still up

Speaker 2:

aye yeah the Salvation Army side's still up that's right aye

Speaker 1:

aye it's an interesting area down there like you know I've done a few eh I've done a canny few interviews down there

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

but eh yeah but eh so you lived there right up until you moved up here (interruption) did you

Speaker 2:

aye eh (pause) oh at a guess five years ago I would think

Speaker 1:

aye and you lived in the same street (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 2:

no eh (pause) well well it was the Teams but it was sort of ehm I don't know if you know them Rose Street to Clement Street to South Pine Street and up to here

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

well there was actually when I got married I went into South Pine Street and then I went up to eh (pause) eh we were living in South Pine Street for a couple of year and then it come down we come up here and with starting a family well we got this do you want a cup of coffee

Speaker 1:

yes please

Speaker 2:

I think I'd better look after you because of the amount of times you've been here

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

and I tell you what w there was one night on (pause) ehm (pause) what was it w one night I can not remember what happened it was that long ago

Speaker 1:

oh there was one one really disastrous occasion

Speaker 2:

aye what happened that night

Speaker 1:

you weren't in and ehm

Speaker 2:

no I had went out and one night you called well eh what it was I'd went out and while I was out my my brother in law had asked us to do him eh (pause) a sort of a favour

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

well I agreed with him to do it and when I come back the wife's sister (pause) had said that you had been and she had made a night and it happened to be that night so what I done I went down there actually what it was to pick his car up and ehm (pause) what he wanted us to do was to take him in my car pick his car up and that was it but eh because we got there and the cars wouldn't start well his wouldn't anyway so eh it meant I had to hang around till he got the car started

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

and eh (pause) I couldn't I never got back till late like

Speaker 1:

oh I just I just went round and eh went into that pub in the square there the Raven you know

Speaker 2:

well I really felt awful about that (unclear)

Speaker 1:

oh it was all right like

Speaker 2:

you take milk

Speaker 1:

never been in eh no milk no but eh

Speaker 2:

just black coffee do you okay

Speaker 1:

aye but but with sugar you know

Speaker 2:

oh I can not have that

Speaker 1:

I take my tea like that and all

Speaker 2:

do you want a little bit sugar

Speaker 1:

when I drink my tea yes please (pause) yeah

Speaker 2:

well is that stopping you from (pause) (unclear)

Speaker 1:

no no I mean eh this is great you know (laughter) just talk away that's it (laughter)

Speaker 2:

oh (unclear) like (pause) you were asking

Speaker 1:

that's all yes yes that's all I want you see

Speaker 2:

I thought it was eh (unclear) talking

Speaker 1:

no oh well we do we usually do it's just that you know the most informal sort of way like you know just it's just a matter of getting people to talk

Speaker 2:

you know it's you sort of got your (pause) like the questions just to start people off like

Speaker 1:

just to guide us along aye yeah

Speaker 2:

and eh many sugars do you want

Speaker 1:

eh about one

Speaker 2:

one ah (pause) and as I say mind that that was a ehm (pause) the worst night of it eh and I felt awful about that

Speaker 1:

oh that's okay I I tell you man there's some people you know that I've called back really dozens of times to you know without and they're always they're always either just going out or they you know it's something like that but they want to do it you know I mean you they don't want they don't want to say no

Speaker 2:

uh-huh

Speaker 1:

but they just haven't got time at the moment you know and that oh there's some people I've been back I mean hundreds of times

Speaker 2:

well the way I put it ehm eh that time when you know was that bad night I thought to myself well he must think that I'm a trying to a avoid him you know by by me keep being called out well oh well I think to myself it was (unclear) if it had have been me in your place I would have thought he was trying to avoid us

Speaker 1:

(laughter) oh no we're very we're very persistent about it like

Speaker 2:

but eh I actually I forgot about it again wey my wife's sister says ehm that ehm lad's come back again you know and I had to say who and then eh she told us and I said oh aye I forgot all about him you know

Speaker 1:

it's usually been her I've seen like when I came your sister

Speaker 2:

I think another time you were coming (pause) I think I had went to work and eh (pause) at work I'd been asked to work overtime and I either had worked that night or come home and had to go back to work mm but it often happens on my job like

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

it's sickening at times like aye

Speaker 1:

yeah what what do you what do you think of living up here like do you do you like living in this estate

Speaker 2:

eh well I I do like but (pause) the thing that I puzzling me just now is eh oh the way the rents is going and that now it well at one time I've always lived in this area but one time eh but you could never be sure of getting a job somewhere wey I mean I've had oh four or five jobs

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

and I've always been made redundant I've now got a job which you know at least give us fifteen twenty years ehm twenty years work providing I'm you know sort of keep your nose clean and

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

I'm now thinking about ehm (pause) possibly buying my own house

Speaker 1:

yes aye the the rents for these are pretty high aren't they

Speaker 2:

aye that's that's the thing

Speaker 1:

they're going up even further like

Speaker 2:

yes that's the thing and ehm (pause) well I know the government's supposed to be bringing something out

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

where they're going to base you off your salary you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and eh I'll tell you what I'll leave the sugar there if you want anymore

Speaker 1:

cheers thanks

Speaker 2:

the government's going to bring something out about the the rent act like

Speaker 1:

yeah yes you'll have to claim a rebate if you think you (interruption) deserve one like (laughter)

Speaker 2:

ah well I'm (pause) unfortunately I've got one of them jobs where I'll have to pay more you know it depends on your wage like

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

which mine isn't too bad like and I think I might be in a position to for to buy a one because eh (pause) the area the people (unclear) I'd hate to have to gan away I've often thought you know umpteen times I've been made redundant and eh one or two lads'll say well why do you not come down the south and make a go at it but I've I've never wanted to leave the North East you know I've liked it but it's always been a black area for work

Speaker 1:

yes aye

Speaker 2:

you know eh I went to Vicker's and ehm that was oh sixty six I think it was nineteen sixty six I was there three year that was a good job but you know government again going slack

Speaker 1:

aye it's just up and down

Speaker 2:

and you know well the well that's all Vicker's is it's just when they've got plenty of work they just cram everybody into it and that's it you know

Speaker 1:

uh-huh so what eh (pause) what exactly is your job now

Speaker 2:

I'm a a fitter by trade well eh well eh it is a fitting job I've got but they call it maintenance fitting where I am now it's just eh (pause) near the power station

Speaker 1:

eh Stella power station

Speaker 2:

Stella North aye

Speaker 1:

oh I see yes

Speaker 2:

just eh (pause) well anything that crops up

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

I won't say I'm great at it because it's first time I've been in it

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

first time I've worked for the board like (pause) rather lucky to get in

Speaker 1:

it's it's it's pretty different from your other jobs is it (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 2:

oh it's a lot different the the other jobs I've had have been on the production you know like eh you build one you you do another one might be bigger might be smaller but the the the variation's very little you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

but here with working at a station like it's eh it's a hell of a lot different you know

Speaker 1:

yes and do do you like it does it compare very well with your the other jobs you've done

Speaker 2:

well ah would to me I base a job off ehm (pause) conditions well I mean power station eh I was told the conditions afore I went in but I like eh not just all work I like a little bit carry on eh providing it's y you know it's not in say it's in the afternoon you're still working but carrying on you know I like a little bit of that like I couldn't eh (pause) there's one or two people where at the place I am a bit solemn to me they are like quite all right otherwise but eh I like to get on with a certain squad like where you can have a bit carry on

Speaker 1:

aye some jobs are just good for that aren't they where you get a you know a (unclear)

Speaker 2:

sometimes you can not sometimes you've got to be serious and you sort of start losing your nut and then you know you just divn't like it it's one of them days where you you come out and say oh dear me I'm glad that's over with like

Speaker 1:

yes what ehm what job did you do when you first left school you know did you go straight into to eh (interruption) (unclear) like

Speaker 2:

yes aye but eh well at the time eh there was about eight or nine of we knocking around together

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

so I thought to myself well eh I definitely want a trade because I always thought that if you've got a trade you could always drop a bit you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

could always go labouring or delivering newspapers or anything you know

Speaker 1:

mm-hm yes

Speaker 2:

and eh course my mates were on and ehm they were getting three and four pounds more than me like

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

but I thought to myself well least when I'm twenty one I might be in the profit like you know benefit by it like and which eh aye I sometimes see two or three of them

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

and them have got to put in a lot of hours you know sometimes you're talking about wages what them are make what I'm making you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

at least it they get a shock sometimes when I tell them you know

Speaker 1:

you reckon it was worth your while

Speaker 2:

aye I reckon it was worth the while like I wouldn't say ehm eh I wouldn't actually say I was great at the job like at the job I've got now you know but it's it's a variation it's just different you know

Speaker 1:

aye yes

Speaker 2:

there's that many eh (pause) there's things I never even thought I would have had to do there you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

I thought well working in the power station I'll be on the dirty jobs you know but I've even had jobs in the canteen and things like that you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

funny little jobs you you you come across you know even getting bottles and weighing them and taking weights and measures you know

Speaker 1:

yes do you do you eh do you do very much you know over time and that do you work a lot

Speaker 2:

well over time it's funny that eh it just depends it's (pause) sometimes there I sometimes do over time just to sort of help the gaffer out it's course I'm not going to go for nothing like I'm helping myself out and all you know

Speaker 1:

(laughter) aye

Speaker 2:

but sometimes the gaffer seems a bit worried over the job like the last time I think there was one night when you were supposed to come eh there was one of these rush jobs where they had to have it you know and they were asking two or three lads to work all night like and (pause) and I thought well I'll work like you know and eh fortunately we had a bit luck and the job come off you know but it doesn't always happen that like sometimes you might work all night in in vain because you know you just doesn't get done

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and then the day shift's got to come in finish it you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

which is eh to me when when they say to me would you like to work all night eh I would I'm in a job where I'd say you are working all night sometimes you could go in finish at two three four you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

but the past two it's been half past six and six o'clock when we've finished and by then you're getting a bit tired you know

Speaker 1:

mm eh I worked most of the most of the places I worked they reckon that you know I mean well they did the fitters used to be in all the time you know and they used to get used to get all the weekends and all the you know just maintaining the machines

Speaker 2:

but well that's part of my week (interruption)

Speaker 1:

that's the only time when they would let the machines stop you know

Speaker 2:

aye that's part of my week weekends we're on a on a rota basis all power station workers are where we have we days off through the week you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

and we are paid a little bit ehm extra for working weekends but I'd rather have the weekends off mesel like

Speaker 1:

mm-hm (interruption) yeah

Speaker 2:

because that's the best time to have off you know

Speaker 1:

right yes yes are they a canny firm to work for like the electric

Speaker 2:

the board eh (pause) aye (unclear) first impression I got when I went was ehm well I obviously must get my cheap electricity you know I work I live in all electric house but it's not so like

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

the only thing you get eh cheap is eh you get cost price fridges washers anything electrical you can go and you you know where people'll pay eighty you might get it for sixty or (interruption) whatever the discount off it

Speaker 1:

yes yes (unclear) I get quite a lot of stuff like that actually through my brother in law

Speaker 2:

oh well eh by the time I went they had a I'd just bought well I hadn't just bought it I've had it three two or three year like but I had a washer then and eh I bought a fridge and (laughter) I was just too late of going eh to the to the board like

Speaker 1:

you don't you don't know my eh two brothers in law do you (NAME) work up there

Speaker 2:

work at Stella North

Speaker 1:

aye (NAME) and (pause) (NAME)

Speaker 2:

what are they

Speaker 1:

eeh I don't know what they do there

Speaker 2:

are they shift workers for

Speaker 1:

I'm not quite sure what kind what sort of job they do up there you know but

Speaker 2:

(NAME)

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

eh you mean what they call John

Speaker 1:

(NAME) and (pause) (NAME) (pause) they used to come from the Teams and all like

Speaker 2:

it's not the one I was thinking of call him (NAME) I know him he used to play football a while ago

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

a small

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

pretty well made

Speaker 1:

aye bal baldy head

Speaker 2:

bit thin on the top

Speaker 1:

that's aye

Speaker 2:

oh aye

Speaker 1:

that'll be him aye

Speaker 2:

oh that'll be him aye

Speaker 1:

rides a rides a scooter

Speaker 2:

eh oh well I don't know how he gets to work like but it might be the same one but ehm he re he remembered me a while ago he used to play football for a certain team when I was young and I used to support them and he remembered us and (interruption)

Speaker 1:

oh aye I know he used to play (interruption) football

Speaker 2:

and I vaguely remembered him but I I what did I think they called him I knew it was (NAME) I knew his name was (NAME) I think it was I used to think they called him (NAME) (NAME) but people (interruption)

Speaker 1:

oh I think it would it'll be (NAME)

Speaker 2:

but people keep calling him John whether it's (NAME)'s his name or John's his name I don't know I diven't know what it is like but he remembered me like

Speaker 1:

aye they used to live in mm East (unclear) Street

Speaker 2:

oh well when I knew eh the (NAME) which eh if it's (NAME) or John eh which I divn't know eh it was just when we when they were playing football so really I I couldn't tell you where he lived like

Speaker 1:

aye yes eh anyway eh what what eh how old were you when you left school do you think were you

Speaker 2:

fifteen

Speaker 1:

fifteen yeah did you used to like school when you or were you glad to leave

Speaker 2:

well funny enough eh the the best time I liked school was from oh twelve to fifteen

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

mainly the last year or or the last two year I really liked it I divn't know how maybe it was the football because I you know I like football like and maybe it was because of that like

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

that might have been eh one reason why I liked the football

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

and I liked school and all like because I never missed

Speaker 1:

aye which school did you used to go to

Speaker 2:

I used to go to Row Street

Speaker 1:

mm-hm and eh have you got any have you got any kids of your own or

Speaker 1:

two

Speaker 2:

oh aye do you eh what kind of attitude do you take to their education you know do you think of it as being very important for them like you know do you

Speaker 2:

well an education in school aye I'm very interested you know

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

but eh like I think like everybody that you know like like ehm me I I wouldn't say I'm a great footballer but I could learn him a little bit and that to me I would like to learn them that just to be a but when they leave school if it could be picked up at that age which I suppose everybody does

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

you know there's only one out of what a hundred or five hundred in the North East get picked up but I would like to I would like to see them not possibly take my attitude as being a fitter n not now I think to me I wouldn't advise anybody to be one

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

you know like there's a lad next door his son just a matter of oh a year he's been working and ehm his dad was asking us well he was telling us he says oh he's going to be a serve his time as a tradesman

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

oh well I say well I say that's a good thing but eh he was saying he either wants to be this or that and he mentioned something he did mention a fitter and oh I says divn't be a fitter because to me they're ten a penny you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

I mean the only time a fitter's any good in the North East is when everything's booming

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

like Vicker's the ship yards eh (pause) everybody wants them you know like tradesmen are in demand like eh (pause) Australia they're always advertising New Zealand ehm I suppose if you like you could say if you went there you'd be treated as somebody because you're a fitter not because you're somebody great and that you're a tradesman but not here

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

because it's eh it's too many and and it gets to the stage now like I've got a cousin he's been on the dole for oh it'll be nearly a year now well not quite a year no but when he goes for an interview for a job I think that (pause) they've got about four or five and they can take their pick

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

where if it was booming they couldn't take their pick they'd advertise for a job or or they they'd send for somebody asking them to come back to take the job you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and that's how to me and I said to him next door I says oh divn't get him on my trade

Speaker 1:

(laughter) aye

Speaker 2:

I says I might have getten a canny job I like it you know the thing I like about it is that it's eh (pause) there could be as I say fifteen years work you know at the least

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

it's a good chance you know

Speaker 1:

yes and you enjoy it I mean it's not a (interruption) (unclear) kind of job that eh

Speaker 2:

oh aye yes I mean I you know I divn't get eh some days you don't feel like ganning like every job but I I like it you know and I think I've been very lucky to get into working for the board you know I started off as a temporary just for part time you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

and there eh a vacancy come up and I got interviewed and I got the job

Speaker 1:

aye do do you do you think ehm you know when when when your kids get up to being about fifteen you know do you think you would would you like to see them stay on at school after fifteen you know do you think of that as being sort of

Speaker 2:

eh yes I would if ehm (pause) if I really thought that they say as (unclear) get older they talk to you better if I really thought they liked it and eh they wanted to go tiv a college and if money was concerned if I had the money I would pay it and pay it to keep them there

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

so in later say when they're eighteen or nineteen and they s they get their own exams so I'd like to see them really advance themselves because eh when I was you know there wasn't so many had the chance when I was younger I'm I'm I'm not old like but they you know just didn't like eh now eh everybody seems to be stopping on at school but when I was young you know fourteen and fifteen it's hardly heard of I mean granted it was being done but it wasn't heard of like it is now like

Speaker 1:

yes what do you think ehm eh you know the way they teach them at school like do you think they is the school up to what you expected it to do

Speaker 1:

well (pause) just going off eh my own family eh I've got brothers and I've got sisters and it it sort of varies eh you might go to say my sister's house she's got two boys (pause) and a girl and they seem to be coming on champion you go to my brother's house (pause) whether I I'm I say I'm not sure if it's a bit backwards in the family itself eh (pause) it it's not what I can see I don't know if it's because the mother and father have never really taken interest in them but they've got one or two of them had to go tiv a backward school

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

and there's nobody from my mother my my brother my well I've got a twin brother there's none of we that bad you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

I wouldn't say we were great but there's none of we that bad and yet there's one or two of them (pause) backward so there's just two different (pause) families so I think eh it's a lot to do with the background mainly like

Speaker 1:

aye yes

Speaker 2:

and eh so teaching as I as you asked the question is that ehm one looks good and one looks bad but eh you know I suppose to me I think that they'll be doing a good job like

Speaker 1:

what about thing things like discipline in schools you know do you think they're think they're too hard on them or too soft on them or

Speaker 2:

well I think they're too soft on them me really like

Speaker 1:

do you

Speaker 2:

uh-huh honestly because of the way they're walking around now you know

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

they've got great ideas eh like the skinheads you know them and eh they've got good ideas now in getting dogs with RSPCAs and starving them until they attack police and things like that

Speaker 1:

oh

Speaker 2:

that was just in the papers the other day

Speaker 1:

was it

Speaker 2:

aye and I mean these kids are still at school

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

I mean the I mean the teachers only can only gan so far like and then I mean they've got a case of where a teacher hit somebody and and everybody's brought into it like you know (unclear)

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

but maybe well well I say I divn't know if they're hard enough or not like but I know when I went mm I thought the teachers were eh they kept kept their you know their hand over the top of you they could easy control you like

Speaker 1:

aye that's changed a lot like these last couple of years

Speaker 2:

wey it's possibly maybe it's slipping away and they've never noticed like but I divn't think it's the same as what what it was when I was at school like

Speaker 1:

yes I'm sure it isn't

Speaker 2:

wey you can tell by all the young kids getting into trouble you know

Speaker 1:

yes yes do you do you usually eh do you think schools are really you know the most important eh teachers of this kind of thing or do you think you know that their parents sh are are more important for for teaching them right right right and wrong you know

Speaker 2:

well I I think it could be both really like that

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

I mean we can only like learn them inside the house right and wrong eh like you bring them up running over the road and swearing and things like that you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

but as far in the classroom well the teacher actually I think a teacher knows their minds better than what we really do for for learning for a person that's willing to learn you know ehm (pause) like some kids learn the clock fast learn which is their right I mean just like the one we've got's five next month and I keep saying now which is your left foot and which is your right hand you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

trying to get him up but I think for really learning for education I think the teacher's much better than what the what their own parents are you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

for the sort of you know you could sor sort of say to me eh oh my dad said that I'll not be bothered but when a teacher says it it must be different you know

Speaker 1:

yes yes what ehm how do you usually try to check your own kids you know when they've been bad like what what kind of

Speaker 2:

well well first of all if any of mine well providing he can understand and I've got a one two and a one five

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and if he can understand I tell him

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

eh like ehm (pause) these walls as you can hear now are very thin

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

and eh (pause) this one shouts a lot this one swears a lot and we are in the middle you know

Speaker 1:

(laughter) (unclear)

Speaker 2:

eh I don't think anybody's complained about me like

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

but anyway this one swears a lot and that one shouts a lot and eh eh (pause) I mean I think everybody's had it where their children swore like and so has mine and I couldn't really jump on him at first I had to tell him it was (pause) naughty and (pause) the best you could and he hadn't got to say it again

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and I and he and which he didn't like and then he said it again and then I had to hit him for it

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

now well I I'd rather try and talk to them before hitting them because I I divn't like to see them upset really you know

Speaker 1:

no no

Speaker 2:

that's the way I look at trying to check them is (pause) try and talk to them first like

Speaker 1:

yes yes

Speaker 2:

not just back handers I divn't believe in just that like

Speaker 1:

yes yes ehm going on oh he does shout (laughter)

Speaker 2:

well there you are

Speaker 1:

(laughter) yes going on to something different like ehm (pause) what do you eh what kinds of things do you usually like to do in your spare time you know how do you spend your evenings and weekends and that

Speaker 2:

well oh dear me (unclear)

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

that's that's what we've got to put up with normally I like eh well maybe watching television in the in the in the summer getting outside in the country

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

you know eh maybe when I'm off weekends seaside for the (interruption) bairns

Speaker 1:

oh you've got a car of course haven't you

Speaker 2:

aye ehm what I what I like to do especially when I've got the car is to go out in the country and Hexham Corbridge anywhere like that and just I'd rather be providing the weather's good I'd rather be out say in the country and just walking around just walking

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 2:

not really looking for anything just walking around well that in the s in the winter you can not do much but (pause) pardon me you can not do much but watch the television

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

odd time (pause) well I'll I tell you I like to gan to the club of a Saturday night you know

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 2:

mainly for entertainment

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

and I like to watch the groups and things like that you know

Speaker 1:

yes is there a good club near here

Speaker 2:

no I've got to gan back down the Teams

Speaker 1:

have you

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

the Teams social club

Speaker 2:

uh-huh uh-huh just well what what we generally do is get the paper and have a look and it's generally the Teams or have a look Coatsworth Lobley Hill club ehm eh Excelsior club you know eh well it's not the Excelsior the Holmside we generally have a look eh the Boilermakers just have a look and see which club eh we fancy like

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

that that's that's like on a Saturday

Speaker 1:

yes but you don't go and you don't go (interruption) out during the week

Speaker 2:

eh maybe in the odd times through the week you know maybe a Monday or something but I never I'm not a good drinker like you know

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

eh matter of fact it beats me afore I can beat it because I just feel full you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and I chuck it like

Speaker 1:

yeah yes do you eh do you watch television very eh very eagerly like you know do you like it a lot or do you just sort of watch it because ehm

Speaker 2:

eh well it just depends if it's eh as I say it I would put it this way in the winter I'm keen to watch it but in the summer I'm not bothered (interruption) about watching it

Speaker 1:

aye I see you don't miss it do you

Speaker 2:

no you see in the as I say in the summer I'd rather be out

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

and I say well I've got the car howay we'll gan to Hexham or or Corbridge or a anywhere you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and then out for the day but eh in the winter well (laughter) it doesn't seem to be anything else but the telly really like

Speaker 1:

aye is there any special kinds of things you like to watch on it you know

Speaker 2:

eh yes eh thrillers ehm like eh Alfred Hitchcock kind of thing you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) westerns well I like westerns and all like well I sort of like little bit of everything you know

Speaker 1:

yes mm ehm (pause) do you think there's any things eh you know in the way of eh recreation activities and that that you would like to do but you know that you'd say you've never had the chance to do or you've never got round to do or anything like that like

Speaker 2:

for young

Speaker 1:

well just for yourself you know I mean or or would you say you're pretty happy with your (interruption) or with the things you do

Speaker 2:

oh the way I (interruption)

Speaker 1:

or is there anything more you would like to do

Speaker 2:

weys (pause) there seems to me like I could sort of plan a week you know I could eh different nights I maybe stop in as I say watch the telly different nights maybe go to the club one night you know but eh the only thing I would change is eh sports wise you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

eh maybe learn golf or learn another sport you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

but eh the other the way I gan on I'm quite happy with it (interruption) you know

Speaker 1:

aye did you stop playing football when you were at school

Speaker 2:

n well I stopped playing when the second when we had the second bairn really like you know because it was a bit too much for her to eh shop with with two like so I used to just watch one and she used to watch the other one

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

so just give it up now I think eh

Speaker 1:

oh but I see you used to you used to play football after you left school

Speaker 2:

oh aye I played right up tiv I was eh well eh three year ago anyway

Speaker 1:

aye aye

Speaker 2:

aye which I well I always liked football you know

Speaker 1:

aye mm mm mm eh if we could just go on talk for a little bit about eh (pause) what we are most interested in like that's eh the way you talk and you know and what you think about the way people talk ehm do you think y do you think you ever change the way you talk according to you know the person you're talking to or any other kind of circumstances or situation like you know

Speaker 2:

well I try I well I try to I'm not saying posh or anything like that but I think eh i it's funny that sometimes when you're really with a Geordie like ehm well eh the someone I know and eh he used to work in the pit or a quarry or something and he's real (pause) Tynesides eh he'll say something like does tho nah and

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

tho nah they can not taak that doon there

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

well oh it really gets up my I mean I'm a Geordie granted but it really gets up my back when I hear him

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

and eh sometimes I I'm sitting and I say well di ye know what we could gan out the night eh a few words in Geordie but oh that's it's one particular bloke really gets my back

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

eh it's I you know if you get somebody that's eh that's really polite eh (pause) larty da as we would say I I divn't try to change

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 2:

to eh (pause) try to keep up with him I'd rather just keep on the w the you know the way I the way I normally do

Speaker 1:

you're mostly just the same all the time

Speaker 2:

I (unclear) never try to change for anybody the only way I try to change is if I gan anywhere and they can not understand you if you say gan Midlands or anywhere so you've got to sort of eh hoy the Geordie out and try and just so them'll understand that's all

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

but otherwise the Geordie I just keep tiv it but I divn't thi I divn't think it's as bad as what what some are using you know I mean when you hear it on the telly on the interviews oh I you know like ehm you laughs at stuff well you I divn't know I was you know what I mean you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

things like that I well I think that I just think it's awful me like

Speaker 1:

do you you don't like it do you not I mean (interruption)

Speaker 2:

no I but (pause) it might it might be all right when they're talking amongst theirselves but when you hear it on television oh it I I don't I divn't know what the person's like that's watching hisself on the telly but he I'm sure he must feel awful to hear hisself speak like that

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

ah that's my opinion I mean I might be wrong like but eh that's my opinion

Speaker 1:

they sometimes have a funny (interruption) (unclear) listening to themselves talk

Speaker 2:

but I I get a laugh off it I mean there wa there was a programme on about ehm the skinheads the other night from Lemmington Throckley

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

oh and they were them kids they must have felt ashamed when they when they were watching it on the telly the way they were they were coming out with the language you know eh oh we'll gan and we'll get him and we'll we'll ehm stick the nut on him you know the real real Geordie

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

not trying to brea (unclear) because I thought to me that the Geordie the old Geordie is it's lossing you know eh it's more people talking there's well should we say eh (pause) proper English not not the Geordie s slang you know

Speaker 1:

aye yes yes (pause) eh what eh what kind of voice do you think I've got from what you've heard of it tonight you know how would you how would you describe my voice

Speaker 2:

eh yours it's it's just an ordinary just as like as I say Geordie's going away and people's trying to talk more po you know m more properly and they've cut out this and that and you knaa and I mean I still say it

Speaker 1:

I I so do I actually aye

Speaker 2:

well I mean we'll never break away from it that's how when you gan anywhere they'll oh he's a Geordie him

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

because there's some words maybe the way you the way you talk or just like it's just like what I say the way you talk

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

it just comes out wey you know but I think eh now there's more people talking well possibly like yourself

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

eh and what you (interruption)

Speaker 1:

but do you think do you think my voice do you think my voice is less Geordie than yours is

Speaker 2:

uh-huh I well I do uh-huh might be wrong but I (interruption) think it is like

Speaker 1:

but you would still s you would still be able to tell I was from Tyneside

Speaker 2:

eh I would yeah I would uh-huh

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

(unclear)

Speaker 1:

okay eh

Speaker 2:

because I actually think that Tyneside is the easiest to find (pause) than any other

Speaker 1:

the easiest to recognize (interruption) you mean

Speaker 2:

aye eh well Scotch is and all

Speaker 1:

yes yes

Speaker 2:

but you know eh you like y well I think they're all individualist you know you can tell them all really the only time I get snookered is from Manchester and that eh like you can tell a Yorkshireman you can tell a Scotsman you can tell a s

Speaker 1:

aye I get a bit confused between Yorkshire and Lancashire a bit

Speaker 2:

no I well (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 1:

of course they meet in you know (laughter)

Speaker 2:

aye that's right aye

Speaker 1:

eh do you think you could just eh read that list of words for us please just straight down

Speaker 2:

no but I well I I don't think I need my glasses for that I've got glasses anyway find mind fly bill well tribe men head back farm wall library daughter down take straight cold alone poor fire four tower hybernate path after earth year me field new what's that soon

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

(unclear) school revolution but none seven one bride long room is that book holiday

Speaker 1:

book aye

Speaker 2:

good maker wafer what's that survive aye survive happy yes Mary Harry better something fall which apple television absent realize Newcastle method concert Seahouses descend chocolate explain industry condemn tissue with what's that (unclear)

Speaker 1:

film

Speaker 2:

file oh I can not get that last letter there

Speaker 1:

film

Speaker 2:

film is that what it is that's an m is it

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

film

Speaker 1:

ta and eh I've got some more here somewhere if I can find it (pause) can you just say them quite fairly slowly you know

Speaker 2:

dry side five jibe tribe wives mine type

Speaker 1:

ta eh right now eh what I'm going to do now is just I'm going to read out eh some sentences right

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

and I just eh (pause) I just want to know if eh if you think you could say it you know if you think you could say the sentence like if it sounds just perfectly okay to you you know if you think you could say it if the circumstances arose they're all eh you know they might have a bit of eh local grammar in them or something like that eh I just want to know if you think that they're part of your speech like eh were you wakened last night when I came in would you say that

Speaker 2:

oh well I I didn't quite understand that mesel were you wakened

Speaker 1:

were you wakened

Speaker 2:

oh yes yes

Speaker 1:

you would say that

Speaker 2:

I could say it

Speaker 1:

aye ehm I was still abed when you called this morning

Speaker 2:

yes I could say that

Speaker 1:

ehm he never gave us any

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

yeah eh do you not go there very often

Speaker 2:

oh yeah I often say that

Speaker 1:

eh they're useless them

Speaker 2:

yes I often say that

Speaker 1:

eh me and John went to the races on Saturday

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

yeah eh I might could manage it

Speaker 2:

yeah I think I could put it that way

Speaker 1:

yeah eh he wouldn't could have worked even if you had asked him

Speaker 2:

eh yes I think I could put (interruption) that

Speaker 1:

yeah eh it's ower big to get through there

Speaker 2:

yes aye

Speaker 1:

yes eh you know my cousin that her husband died

Speaker 2:

yeah uh-huh yeah

Speaker 1:

yeah eh with the wife being ill I had to stay in and look after her

Speaker 2:

well I wouldn't I would possibly say bad or something

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

with the wife being bad I had to stop in (interruption) eh that's it

Speaker 1:

eh I'm going to stay with the son for the holidays if you had one who was old enough like

Speaker 2:

yeah well I'd probably say I'm going to stay with the lad

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

or something like that me I would probably the sentences which you said maybe odd word here (pause) and there but they would they would aye very much be the same I would

Speaker 1:

yes eh eh they gan to the pictures of a Sunday

Speaker 2:

mm-hm often

Speaker 1:

eh I was coming home on the train and if I didn't leave my coat lying on the seat

Speaker 2:

eh yes in other words I would put that I think

Speaker 1:

yeah eh can't you not do that

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

yeah eh here she had left her pram standing outside the shop

Speaker 2:

eh yes I think I would I think I would put different words into that (interruption) like

Speaker 1:

would you say the here on the front here she had left her pram standing

Speaker 2:

eh I think I would yes here

Speaker 1:

aye aye eh would you mind stop talking

Speaker 2:

eh well I'd just say oh I think I would probably say that

Speaker 1:

yes eh do you want a cup of tea making

Speaker 2:

I wouldn't say making

Speaker 1:

would you not what would you say

Speaker 2:

no eh I would I would probably say would you like a cup of tea not making I would leave the making out well that's actually what I said about the coffee would you like a cup of coffee

Speaker 1:

yes that's true

Speaker 2:

uh-huh

Speaker 1:

ehm you know him that used to work on the railways

Speaker 2:

yes I would say that

Speaker 1:

he happened a nasty accident

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

mm ehm I'll put the kettle on for to make some tea

Speaker 2:

yeah yeah often

Speaker 1:

eh I wanted for to talk to you about it

Speaker 2:

eh I wondered if I could talk yeah I would probably say that

Speaker 1:

aye eh you don't like ham do you not

Speaker 2:

ehm (pause) yeah yeah I think I would say that I'm trying to phrase it in my own mind see if I would get them words in

Speaker 1:

yeah eh when did it happen you

Speaker 2:

when did it happen is that what you said

Speaker 1:

when did it happen you

Speaker 2:

no I wouldn't say you no I I would probably say when did it happen then

Speaker 1:

yes yes eh I've got money belonging him

Speaker 2:

I would probably say I've got money belonging to him

Speaker 1:

yeah eh (pause) I'm going to get some wool for our Pamela a jumper

Speaker 2:

mm I'd yes I would probably say that

Speaker 1:

yeah eh it's all right for you you're used with it

Speaker 2:

yes often mm-hm

Speaker 1:

aye eh we've been waiting of a bus

Speaker 2:

yes aye

Speaker 1:

eh it wouldn't be no good tomorrow wouldn't it not

Speaker 2:

yeah I'd probably say that

Speaker 1:

eh there was all these bottles of beer what we had brought

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

eh many people were there there

Speaker 2:

I would probably say how many people

Speaker 1:

yeah eh where did you get it at

Speaker 2:

yes I often say that

Speaker 1:

yes eh never mind I'll manage but

Speaker 2:

I would just say never mind I'll manage I wouldn't put the but

Speaker 1:

wouldn't put the but on the end

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

eh no the wonder I couldn't get it to work it's not plugged in

Speaker 2:

no I would never say that

Speaker 1:

you don't say no the wonder

Speaker 2:

no the won no that's the old Geordie saying ah no the wonder

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

oh I would never say I've never said that anyway no

Speaker 1:

did you never used to say that even when you were (interruption) younger

Speaker 2:

no no that word there no the wonder is a word that eh if somebody said it it would stick out a mile to me

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

I would say you know I would say it to myself well I would never say that

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

what I can remember I would never say that word

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

no the wonder I mean there's (pause) nothing wrong with it like but I wouldn't say it

Speaker 1:

you wouldn't say it

Speaker 2:

in a sentence

Speaker 1:

it's the same with me like I wouldn't say it but ehm m my wife says it all the time she never says no wonder she always says no the wonder

Speaker 2:

no the wonder

Speaker 1:

and I'm trying to work out who it is who says no the wonder

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

because I mean she comes from the Teams you see same as you and I thought perhaps well it's people who come from the Teams

Speaker 2:

no not me well it's eh I would just say as I say I would never say that word and eh I would think that word's only going way back to the old Geordie time isn't it it's gradually going but maybe it's from there I don't know but I never say that word like

Speaker 1:

I don't know there's still quite a lot of pe people still say it lot of people that I've interviewed (interruption) still say it

Speaker 2:

yes well I would never say it

Speaker 1:

oh yes no the wonder or even none the wonder

Speaker 2:

I would just say no wonder me like

Speaker 1:

yes yes

Speaker 2:

oh aye

Speaker 1:

what about me and George is going to the town today

Speaker 2:

yes I would

Speaker 1:

Jack didn't think much to the race

Speaker 2:

no I would just Jack wouldn't think much of the race

Speaker 1:

yes ehm all the caravan sites is good and I've stayed on them nearly all

Speaker 2:

eh yeah I would probably say that

Speaker 1:

yeah yeah they've not seen it

Speaker 2:

no I would never say that

Speaker 1:

it's far too long this

Speaker 2:

yes often

Speaker 1:

eh how's your wife and family then

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

yeah ehm Joe can't come tomorrow being as he's working late

Speaker 2:

no I would never say that

Speaker 1:

eh what is it he does for a living

Speaker 2:

eh I would probably say what does he do for a living

Speaker 1:

yeah eh just light the fire on will you

Speaker 2:

eh no well I've got a habit of saying will you not you know (interruption) eh

Speaker 1:

aye would would would you say (pause) light it on

Speaker 2:

w will you light the fire on that's the way I would put that

Speaker 1:

I'll clout yous both in a minute

Speaker 2:

eh no I would say hit

Speaker 1:

would you

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

but you'd still say hit yous

Speaker 2:

I would no I would probably say I'll hit the both of yous in a minute

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

I wouldn't I never use clout like ah maybe odd times but not intentionally you know

Speaker 1:

yeah eh how much have they offered we

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) yeah yeah yeah

Speaker 1:

eh pass us one of them spanners

Speaker 2:

yes I often do

Speaker 1:

yeah eh I've broke a plate

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

eh I come this morning but you weren't in

Speaker 2:

yes it's happened

Speaker 1:

he done it all right

Speaker 2:

eh yeah I have used that yes (unclear) like

Speaker 1:

I had forgetten to buy the onions

Speaker 2:

(unclear) yeah yeah

Speaker 1:

he give us a pound for doing it

Speaker 2:

yeah I would say that

Speaker 1:

we had went to the coast for the day

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

I seen Albert on Tuesday

Speaker 2:

oh yeah

Speaker 1:

eh I'm not going to stand being tret like that

Speaker 2:

aye in other words like

Speaker 1:

would you say being tret

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) I would probably would but I I would mean it a joke (unclear) that I would just not going to be mucked around like that

Speaker 1:

mm-hm that's what happens when you be naughty

Speaker 2:

yes yes said that to the bairns

Speaker 1:

I'll probably see him a Saturday

Speaker 2:

mm-hm often

Speaker 1:

I doubt he'll have to stay in hospital for a long time

Speaker 2:

I would probably say I think he would have to stop in hospital a long time

Speaker 1:

yeah eh you've letten him get away

Speaker 2:

ah I would probably say you've let him get away

Speaker 1:

my mother's keep coming in to see us

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

eh we'll sharp get this done

Speaker 2:

yes often

Speaker 1:

mm-hm eh he's as Tyneside as what I am

Speaker 2:

mm (pause) but I I never come to say that no I wouldn't eh

Speaker 1:

he's as daft as what you are

Speaker 2:

aye probably would I'd probably say (pause) aye or maybe he's as much Geordie as what I am or you know

Speaker 1:

yous used to sweep the floor and us used to wash the dishes

Speaker 2:

pardon say that again

Speaker 1:

yous used to sweep the floor and us used (interruption) to wash the dishes

Speaker 2:

no I would never say that

Speaker 1:

would you say us used to do it

Speaker 2:

I'd probably say we used to sweep the floor and

Speaker 1:

mm eh now this is just about the end I think I'm going to say a sentence and I just want you to say the opposite of it right

Speaker 2:

now go on

Speaker 1:

eh they've seen that picture

Speaker 2:

we've seen the picture is that

Speaker 1:

well yes that'll do yes the opposite of it

Speaker 2:

we've seen the picture

Speaker 1:

eh no I was thinking of like if I say eh we've seen the picture I would be thinking of something like eh we haven't seen it or we didn't see it

Speaker 2:

aye I haven't seen it is that right

Speaker 1:

yes so ehm the opposite of eh we've finished our dinner

Speaker 2:

ehm (pause) (unclear) (pause) ehm I've been I've got myself confused now I could say I haven't finished my dinner

Speaker 1:

yes right that's exactly it eh and again the opposite of eh he'd do it for you

Speaker 2:

he would do it anyway

Speaker 1:

eh the opposite of eh he's found it

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) oh they've found it again or I'm trying to put it exactly to where you want it you know I'm trying to think the same

Speaker 1:

ehm you know when ehm you know if you go up to somebody in the street and ask for a match or something what do you usually say

Speaker 2:

I normally say excuse me have you got a light

Speaker 1:

yes ta and ehm could you just finish off this sentence eh I couldn't get it done yesterday but I'll do it

Speaker 2:

eh I couldn't get it done (pause) but I'll do it today because I'll have more time like

Speaker 1:

thanks that's great

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