ehm (pause) well eh to start at the beginning could you tell us eh where you were born please

I was born in Gateshead

yeah whereabouts

Bewick Road

oh (unclear) (pause) oops

careful (unclear)

ehm and eh whereabouts else have you lived since then you know how long did you stay there

well that was my grandmother's home

right

you see we lived in Windsor Avenue (pause) (interruption) beside the park

yes (pause) yes I've (unclear)

and ehm we've just lived here since we were married

I see

we haven't (unclear) we haven't been out of Gateshead (interruption) at all

you've never lived out of Gateshead

no

no ehm (pause) what did you think of the various you know the different places you've lived (unclear) which did you like best

well I like here best

yeah

because you can see a little bit of the countryside whereas

mm

you know I mean you have some sort of an outlook here (interruption) where if it was just back yard walls (interruption) and back lanes

(interruption) yeah (interruption) that's right yeah yeah it's a beautiful view from here (unclear)

yes it's quite pleasant

nice sunset (unclear)

mm-hm

mm (pause) ehm do you think that eh (pause) you're fairly attached to Gateshead as a place to live in you know do you think you would ever go to Newcastle out of choice

oh yes I'm I'm (interruption) not particularly biased on living in Gateshead

(unclear)

I've got rather a free mind about this I think ehm (pause) it's largely what you make of it where you live

mm-hm yeah yeah do you think you could go anywhere you know I mean away from Tyneside for instance

yes I think so

(unclear) without missing it very much

yes

mm you don't find that eh (pause) Tynesiders are very different (unclear)

I'm going to lean on it

well it is more industrialized you tell this as you travel up and down the country don't you

(unclear)

ssh please be quiet (pause) ehm (pause) I think once you get past Doncaster upwards (interruption) there is a there is a difference (interruption)

(interruption) mm-hm (interruption) yeah yes

you know it tends things tend to be a bit greyer

yeah yes

and ehm it's not as rural as you find in the south

mm do you think you would like to move down to the south

yes but I don't think ehm (pause) much beyond Leicester

(unclear)

I like that area very much

yeah (unclear)

but further south to that the cost of living rises so steeply I don't think it's really worth any one's (interruption) while moving from here to there

that's (pause) that's true yes yeah ehm have you (pause) been away from Tyneside very often you know you haven't you've never actually lived away from Tyneside

not lived away just had holidays away and stay with friends (unclear)

ah (pause) ehm (pause) whereabouts were your parents born were they born locally as well

my mother was born in Gateshead but my father was born in Canada

ah right

so his parents were British who emigrated (interruption) there and of course they returned later (interruption)

(interruption) right (interruption) I see yeah yes and what was your father's occupation do you know

he was a millwright

(unclear) (pause) ehm (pause) could you tell me please (unclear) which age group you belong to on that card (unclear) if you could just (interruption) say the letter

D

thanks

D

and eh (pause) on what basis you occupy this house again if you could just say the letter

E

ta ehm (pause) eh is your husband from Gateshead as well

yes

yes born in Gateshead

yeah

yes yeah ehm and what does what's his job

he's an office manager

mm (unclear) (pause) ehm you don't eh you don't do any job yourself

no no not now

except of course (unclear) (laughter)

(unclear) just at home all the time

(unclear) blanket

well you go and get them and you put them on

no I'll get cold

oh well (unclear)

we'll have a bit of her speech on it as well (laughter)

(laughter)

no I'll be (interruption) (unclear)

ssh (pause) did you

(laughter) eh (pause) could you tell me eh you know what jobs you have done in your life what did you do when you first left school

I had one job from leaving school until giving up work I was a civil servant

were you at eh (interruption) Long Benton

uh-huh yes

yeah what did you think of that job did you enjoy it

I I enjoyed it it it had a a lot of variety in it you didn't have time to get bored with one thing

aye

I was in family allowances department and (pause) (interruption) the work was interesting there was a lot of casework (interruption)

(interruption) yeah (interruption) uh-huh yes

and eh I didn't find it dull and mixed with some quite (interruption) pleasant people there I didn't want (unclear) go I didn't find any reason to want to leave

(unclear)

yes

who who can get some money

yes well be quiet for five minutes please

ehm (pause) y y yes you you did in fact you didn't want to give it up

no I was quite happy there all the time

(unclear) so do you think you'll ever go back to work when you're you know after your family grow up

oh yes eventually (pause) yeah

(unclear) (pause) ehm

I don't want to turn into a cabbage and I think you do if you stay at home

aye yes (interruption) (unclear)

you tend to talk about babies and shopping and (pause) and your house and that's as far as you get I think

yes

you do see this happen to people

mm-hm

and I think even if you do have a part time job it gives you something else to talk about

mm yes yeah I've talked to lots of women who agree I think you know (pause) (interruption) they've gone back to work out of choice (interruption)

(interruption) yes (interruption) yes

(unclear) (pause) ehm (pause) eh how old were you when you left school please

ehm almost seventeen

yes and eh (pause) do you do you think you were glad to leave school at the time or

no I enjoyed school

did you

yes

mm whereabouts did you go to school (unclear)

I went ehm (pause) from passing the eleven plus I went to the old grammar school on Durham Road that was a co educational school

aye yes

then of course they built the two separate ones the girls and the boys

yeah

and I finished my last year at Dryden Road

yes (unclear) yes the grammar school for girls

mm-hm

is it n no Dryden senior high (interruption) (unclear)

it's senior high now they're all comprehensive yes

that's right (unclear) ehm (pause) eh have you had any further education since you left school you know (unclear)

eh when I first went to work I I did day release at the Gateshead technical college until I was eighteen

yes

one day but I I don't think that made much difference (interruption) it was more or less a day's play

(unclear) (pause) yeah did you did you do any A levels at (unclear) college that was that the (pause) was that the purpose of it

I have no idea I think it was just the the thing that you were required to attend the day release (interruption) until you were eighteen

yeah (pause) yeah I see

it w you weren't given any choice you were just told you had to go

that's right yes (pause) yeah and if after you were eighteen you could stay on if you felt like it or something or (unclear)

no you had to s you had to stop when you were eighteen

aye I remember my friend was he was at ehm (pause) Long Benton as well and he you know he he was planning to take some A levels there but as soon as it was possible for him to stop he he he (pause) packed it in you know

yes

but eh mm (pause) would you say that eh you know looking back on your (pause) education as a whole eh what would you say it had been worth to you in in your life you know since since leaving school

ehm (pause) well I think it was quite a varied education it gave you (pause) ehm (pause) the basics of course and then it and then of course you you got a bit of French which would help you a little bit (interruption) if you did go abroad it's always a (interruption) a small thing to know

(interruption) mm (interruption) yeah

and then ehm on the science side which I found more interesting ehm I enjoyed doing experiments and (pause) it gave you a bit knowledge into things which I don't think you would otherwise think about

yes yeah

and and and when you think about things in later time you can link it up with something you've done at school and you could say oh yes that's how that happened

yes yeah (unclear) it yeah it has been fairly relevant in fact your (interruption) in your own sort of like (unclear)

uh-huh (pause) yes I often think about things we've done at school (laughter)

yes yeah (pause) it's contrary to common sort of trend where I think everybody forgets you know like everybody likes to forget everything they learned at school (unclear)

and there again I have a a young niece and ehm (pause) she often comes along can you help me with this

(unclear)

you see and can you help me with that and it's amazing what still remains there

(unclear)

and the likes of algebra and geometry you think bits of (pause) (interruption) this oh well you do one thing and then a little bit of something else comes back and (interruption) then you're able to help them that way (interruption)

(interruption) aye (interruption) yes (interruption) yeah yeah do you think ehm (pause) schoolwork has changed very much since you went to school you know

oh I couldn't really say

yeah you don't find that that your niece is you know that that the things she does are very different from what (unclear)

I think that we went into it in greater detail

mm yeah

specialized more than they seem to do of course this is the comprehensive schooling isn't it

yeah

ehm they dabble in a little bit of everything in instead of when we got to third year second year we we decided which you wanted to specialize in and you took those

aye

things you were interested in you (interruption) went either to arts or sciences (interruption)

(interruption) aye (interruption) yes

whereas now they do a little bit of everything so it's

yeah

I think it stands to reason they can't go into it into such detail

yeah oh that's that's interesting you are you you specialized in that way at in sort of second and third year

eh at the end of second year you were given the option (pause) you could either take language eh French was compulsory and you could either go into the arts and take Latin German and French

(unclear)

well I wasn't really very good at languages so I took chemistry and biology dropped physics because I wasn't very good at that

there's not many people are (laughter)

(laughter)

(unclear)

but the other two I found very interesting

mm-hm yeah

but not physics that was just no good

(laughter)

it wasn't relevant to me at all it didn't ring a bell anywhere

(unclear) (pause) ehm (pause) would you eh do you think (pause) that education is pretty important for our children these days you know I mean would you would you always advise children to stay on at school if they could (pause) after sort of the minimum (interruption) leaving age

well I would but I think a lot of it now comes into it they more or less decide for themselves don't they personally (pause)

(unclear)

I think once you grow up and you realize what it takes (pause) I don't think (interruption) you can have too much education

(unclear) come under the blanket

shh do y do you want to go out

(unclear)

excuse me a minute

(unclear)

what were we talking about ah yes you you don't think ehm education is ever sort of wasted

oh I don't think so not in my opinion it's not

mm (unclear) (pause) ehm

I can't understand people not wanting to know about things

mm

I've got a very curious mind

yeah yeah

if I'm interested in something I like to know about it from the start to the finish and I can't understand people just wanting to ignore interesting things

aye aye that's n that's that's nice that's like education for it's own sake (unclear)

uh-huh

in my opinion a much better idea (unclear) sort of education for a job or something like that you know

yes

ehm (pause) going back eh even further in your education if that was possible ehm (pause) whereabouts were you living when you were sort of say under twelve for example

in Windsor Avenue

right eh did you find it like a good place to live from your point of view as a child you know (pause) would you say you enjoyed your childhood there

yes I would say so they were all quite friendly the the children and the people roundabout

aye

I couldn't say I was unhappy there

(unclear)

but I think it's it's like a lot of other things the town moves up and now it's

that's right yeah

it's not so nice

aye

where we live now it's it's not so nice

mm

there you are it's all right (pause) now if you're going to play out no crying (pause) now go on what are you going to do are you coming in

no

(unclear) (pause) uh-huh (interruption) yes

(unclear)

no I don't regret living there I had some good friends from that area a lot I still know

mm-hm aye

you know we went to school together I couldn't say I was ever unhappy there

yeah aye (unclear) very good yeah ehm (pause) can you remember you know any of the like games you used to play or things you used to do (unclear)

oh wey yes

(unclear)

uh-huh

street games you mean (unclear)

(unclear) used to play rounders

aye

periodically break people's windows

yeah

ehm (pause) we used to get tennis rackets out and play bat and ball up the street and the game with the can in the middle with the lollypop sticks on you had (interruption) to throw a ball at it

yes (pause) yeah yeah

ehm (pause) even smaller I think when was about five cops and robbers (laughter)

(laughter) yeah

ehm (pause) let me see now (pause) we used to play the you know the annual skipping and then the two baller

that's right yes and chucks and things like that

chucks yeah (pause) (interruption) uh-huh

(unclear) used to come around (unclear)

yeah when the spring came the the skipping ropes came out and they'd followed by the two baller

(unclear)

and then eh then you went along to the park and had a dabble at the tennis (laughter)

(laughter) eh do do you remember what you used to call eh (pause) like a game where one of the kids has to chase the others to try to touch them

relievo

(unclear) well no just a a s a slight simpler game than that if you touch somebody it's their turn to chase the rest

tuggy

aye yeah and ehm what did you used to say about the one who had to chase you know the one whose (interruption) turn it was to chase

used to say oh you're on

yeah mm ehm (pause) and what did you used to say ehm you know for a truce word if you wanted to stop a game or (interruption) call a halt

skinchies (laughter)

and ehm (pause) what did you used to call eh you know the things that boys flick along the ground

marbles

did you not (interruption) have another word for it

or liggies

yes (pause) that's what I used to call them as well

yes

(laughter) (pause) ehm (pause) eh still on the matter of sort of what words you use for things you know can you tell us please just what you call each of the rooms in this house what your normal word is for each room

call this the living room

(unclear)

eh bedrooms bathroom kitchenette

right yes and eh (unclear)

and then the garage that's all

mm-hm yeah what about what you're in as soon as you come through the front door you know

well it ranges we just normally just say oh that's the passage (interruption) because to me it's a passage it's not a hall (interruption)

(interruption) aye (interruption) (unclear) yeah yeah

to me a hall

it would have to be bigger (laughter)

is spacious (pause) with the rooms running off (interruption) to look a hall to me it's a passage

uh-huh yes

I know a lot of people call it a hall

yes that's yes yeah

they do but to me a hall's something grander than this

aye yes there's a social thing about whether you call it a hall (unclear)

hall yes

ehm (pause) you know to eh (pause) to get of like an old fashioned back door you have to lift the what do you call that

used to call it a sneck (laughter)

aye (pause) haven't got one here (unclear)

(laughter) no (laughter)

ehm and eh a again if if you've got a coal fire what do you call the thing you stand in front of it to get it going

oh the blazer

aye yeah and ehm what do you call eh cleaning plates and things after a meal

washing up

(unclear)

uh-huh

(unclear)

or do the dishes is that what you're after

aye I just I just wondered which ones people use (unclear) yeah

we just usually say oh I'll go and wash up

wash up aye

mind I have said I'll do the dishes

wash the dishes aye (unclear) always say wash the dishes but I (unclear) I haven't been able to find very eh very much pattern to really it seems to be just random as far as I can tell you know

uh-huh

ehm (pause) and eh eh (pause) could you tell us please just what sort of things you like to do in your spare time you know (pause) (unclear) you get any

well now that we've got eh children ehm I think going away taking the children away (pause) (interruption) you know

(unclear)

well we've got one but we always take my niece with me

oh I see yes

you see we always take (unclear) the two of them you see

mm-hm

we don't take one without the other

yeah

ehm we like going away in the car ehm (pause) walking (pause) we like records

aye

ehm

what sort of records do you (unclear)

oh classed as oldies

aye

personally I like piano music ehm (pause) my husband is a Glenn Miller fiend a Frank Sinatra fiend

mm mm

we've got all of the old musicals Carousel Oklahoma things like that you know

uh-huh yeah

and of course now that (NAME)'s coming up we have the pop records (interruption) as well she likes the odd (pause) (interruption) record

(interruption) uh-huh yeah (interruption) oh oh (laughter) coming to it at an early age

mm-hm

ehm (pause) do you eh do you watch television very much

occasionally

aye

ehm I'm not one for I'm not much of a telly fiend

aye

my husband watches sport and later at night we watch the odd play and the news

yeah

but eh (pause) I usually sit and knit or read a magazine or the Reader's Digest or something

aye you don't ehm (interruption) you don't have the television on all the time

it's not on it's not on all the time

no

no

you just put it on if there's something you want to watch (unclear)

yes

yeah what do you think of the eh standard of programmes you know do you think they're fairly good

well the the programmes we've been watching recently I think they've been a load of rubbish there's nothing really (pause) attracted me I've had it on about quarter of an hour and then off it went

yes

there hasn't been there was a good programme on last week I found very interesting about ehm (pause) it was about volcanoes

mm-hm

it was from BBC Two oh thank you (pause) ehm (pause) I find things like that quite good

yes yes

I like to have to have an interest not just somebody talking a load of rubbish and as for Top Of The Pops sometimes it drives me round the bend (NAME) likes Top Of The Pops

do you

but ehm (pause) I like to have to think when I'm watching something

aye yes (pause) I haven't got a television myself and I don't know anything about it (laughter)

oh there's been some rubbish on definitely (interruption) recently

yeah (pause) (unclear) what about the plays do you think are there any very good plays on

can't say I've really watched many plays the only time we watch you know anything of length is on a Sunday night (pause) and usually then it's a film we have no can't say much about the plays that have been on

mm ehm (pause) would you say that were any sort of you know in the way of recreation activities any things that you've always wanted to do but you've never got round to or you've not had the chance to do it like

ehm (pause) let's see now (pause) can't really say there is

you'd say you're fairly contented with your life as it is at the moment (unclear)

uh-huh (pause) yes I couldn't say ehm there's much more I'd like to do I've achieved most that I've wanted to do most of the things that way I wanted to swim I learned how to swim I wanted to drive I learned how to drive

yeah (unclear)

and knit or sew (laughter)

(unclear)

so this is about the lot

yeah ehm (unclear) what do you think would happen if you know if you won a lot of money tomorrow say if you won the football pools or something (interruption) a quarter of a million pounds

it is everyone's dream

yeah do you think it would change your life very much you know

ehm (pause) a substantial amount

mm quarter of a million

quarter of a million (pause) well I would have a new house (interruption) I'd sell this one

yeah where whereabouts

ehm (pause) now well it all depends eh if I saw what I was looking for

mm-hm

I would like a detached bungalow with an extra bedroom that's all just another bedroom (laughter)

I see yeah

ehm I liked eh Darras Hall way (interruption) it's very pleasant up there

aye (pause) mm

and there again I like Shotley Bridge and Rowlands Gill way there's a very nice estate ehm (pause) Lord Gort's estate (pause) (interruption) there's some beautiful houses there all stone built (pause) (interruption) just outside of Burnopfield

(interruption) (unclear) (interruption) yeah

that's a nice area

oh yes I think I know where you mean as well mm

and of course I'd have a little car of my own to travel in from there (laughter)

I see (unclear) yes (pause) but (pause) do you think it would you know I mean change your way of life very much or would you (interruption) still go on doing the same more or less the same things as you do now (interruption)

(interruption) don't think so (interruption) I think I'm a bit of a stick in the mud that way I don't think I would change very much I'm a person who makes their mind up to do something and then that's it

aye mm-hm strangely enough most people say exactly the same that it wouldn't really change their life (interruption) at all

I don't think it would because there's not all that much I would want to do I I think I would en I would have a nice holiday abroad every year

aye yeah

I wouldn't spend it all at once I would ehm (pause) (laughter) sort of make it last out invest some and make it work

yeah

and then when you did come to retirement age you would (pause) have something to fall back on it wouldn't have been wasted

yeah yeah (pause) ehm (pause) these are just eh (pause) a few questions about your opinions on some eh (pause) ordinary things eh (pause) what do you think that parents should do when their children misbehave you know how do you think they should (pause) check them

well it all depends if they're in the home (pause) check them straight away and if necessary give them a smack

yeah

ehm (pause) I think when you're outside in company give them a word (laughter)

(laughter) (unclear)

and eh (pause) if it doesn't take any effect take them somewhere quietly and warn them if this doesn't stop well there will be trouble but if they are really naughty (unclear) well give them what for when you come home

aye yeah

I believe in some sort of discipline I don't believe in all this eh (pause) freedom to just let them do what they like I think everyone has to have a certain amount of discipline

yeah

I don't believe in a a a whip all the time you know you've got to let them go so far

mm-hm

but I think eh (pause) eh towa even towards building a character they've got to have some form of discipline realize there's some things they can't do or can't have

yeah yeah (pause) what about ehm a young person of say sixteen or so you know what sort of control do you think the parents should have over them

oh well there again I think at sixteen they've started to grow away from your parents much more

(unclear)

I think you have to more or less try and and eh meet them on a more a friendly basis as an as an adult more than the (interruption) the parent wielding the stick

(unclear)

I think this is the only way you'll get through to them at that age you don't think it's any good being heavy handed

yeah (unclear) would you want to eh control things like you know the time they came in at night and things like that

well provided they're going somewhere ehm you know where they're going and and what they're doing fair enough

aye

they can stay until the end because I mean let's face it the likes of these places where they go now clubs and things they don't really warm up until about eleven at night so it's no good you saying you've got to be in here by eleven because let's face it they'll have paid some money to get in and poor souls they'll get nothing out of it

yes mm-hm mm

I suppose it may be different with a girl

mm-hm

for a girl to come home i if you could say you could ehm (pause) b eh be accompanied so some so far by friends (pause) (interruption) say and you could pick them up somewhere

yeah yeah (pause) yeah

but I I think it's only fair to let them have their entertainment and things go on much later now than they used to when I was young

ehm (pause) going on to something different and this is a a question you don't have to answer if you don't want because some people don't ehm which way do you vote (pause) (unclear)

yes I voted Conservative

eh but it's not a habitual thing is it not I mean you say I voted Conservative

I'm not one of these who who (pause) is staunchly one thing all the time

I see aye

because the parents were and somebody else was I think you've got to weigh things up ehm (pause) the world as it stands today and I think I know you're not supposed to but largely the party who is going to do the most for you because I mean let's face it it boils down to the fact (pause) you are the one who's paying out in the end

aye

and I think even though people deny this they vote the way they think they'll be better off

yes (interruption) (unclear)

it's only natural

yeah

and I think you must just weigh things up as they stand at the time of the general election see what (interruption) each party offers and decide accordingly (interruption)

(interruption) aye (interruption) yes so you I suppose you are really in fact a fairly floating voter are you

uh-huh

I mean you have voted different ways

yes (pause) (interruption) I have

yeah ehm and would you say that eh (pause) do you have any sort of ideological alignment with any party or is it you know I mean the way you're talking at the moment it sounds as if it's purely a ehm you know a decision at the time as to who you think's going to do the best job you don't think that ehm you know whether you believe in the aims of the party has anything to do with it

well I think (pause) whichever party you look at they've all got aims but how many of them achieve these

yes

they only seem to go so far

(unclear)

and as you say I think the my opinion is is I give my vote to the one who I think'll do the best job

mm yeah yeah what do you think about (pause) you know it's it's fairly common for people to vote ehm say to vote Labour if they're working class people ehm and to vote Conservative if they own their own house you know ehm do you think this is a reasonable way to to vote (pause) or not

no I don't think so (pause) because ehm (pause) I mean let's face it the likes of us we're all working class I mean there's no (pause) status symbol at the moment between the way we live or the way somebody lives who doesn't own their house

(unclear) this is a big thing these days that everybody is working class or (interruption) everybody they are (unclear)

there's a lot of people there's a lot of people still think because they're working class the Labour party's for them

(unclear)

but I mean let's face it the people who run the Labour party the majority of them look at the way how the way they live

mm

they're not working class they're the same class as the people you vote for in the Tory party

mm (pause) well yeah (unclear)

they're all much of a muchness

yeah (pause) mm ehm do you usually vote in in every election do you normally vote in (interruption) like local government elections and so on

oh yes I believe in using the vote yes otherwise you have no right to argue about anything or condemn anything

yeah (unclear) (pause) ehm (pause) (unclear) if we could just go on to talk for a bit about eh what we are most interested in you know that's the way you talk and so on and what you think about it ehm (pause) firstly would you say that you ever change the way you speak according to (pause) you know the circumstances or the person you're talking to

oh I don't think so

always the same to more or less everyone

yes I would say so

yes eh

I think if you strike a happy medium and you're not (pause) you're not too slang you're not too broad

(unclear)

you don't really want to be posh (laughter)

mm-hm yeah yes I yeah (pause) so you aye hm

if you you just more or less try and speak properly (pause) not eh

yes you don't think the solution is (interruption) to speak in one way at one time and another way (interruption) at another time

(interruption) always (unclear) (interruption) no I don't think so

(unclear) (pause) ehm (pause) w would you also say that on a fairly long term basis you had talked more or less the same all your life

ehm (pause) I would think so

mm you don't think y you were more localized for instance when you were young (pause) (unclear)

perhaps yes when you were playing out

yes

yes with other children (pause) because we've found this (pause) now (pause) things have been said in here which which haven't been said in here (interruption) and I think you more or less speak the way the children do that you play with (interruption) even though you don't know it

(interruption) (unclear) (interruption) that's true yeah (pause) yes

until you're you're told otherwise the way we have to tell her otherwise

yes do you ehm you do normally ehm correct eh your daughter if she she comes out with very localized expressions

well we try to

mm (pause) ehm mm (pause) eh (pause) do you ehm (pause) do you feel that you know if you meet somebody for the first time and (unclear) you listen to them saying something do you do you feel that if they if they speak like you you know do you think that you're more likely to get on with them

possibly yes

(unclear)

because I think it's easier to converse with them

yes

you're not thinking about other things when you're talking to them such as (pause) someone you meet is perhaps 'ever so' 'ever so' perhaps they're a very nice person

aye

but you're thinking (pause) heavens what will they talk about next (laughter)

aye yes

whereas someone you meet more or less like yourself (unclear) it just more or less rolls on there continuously

yes yes that's (interruption) (unclear)

it's much much easier to talk

yeah yes you do sometimes feel (unclear) positively uncomfortable with some people do you

sometimes yes

mm and would are they mostly people who are they're 'ever so' or do you also sometimes feel uncomfortable with people who are very very local

no I would think people who are ehm (pause) 'ever so' or who try to be 'ever so'

mm mm-hm

I think there's a there's a great number try to be 'ever so' more than are 'ever so'

mm yeah yes

you find the ones who've been 'ever so' all their lives are quite pleasant to talk to

yes you can tell the difference can you or (pause) (interruption) (unclear)

I think sometimes you can yes

(unclear) do you d do you usually feel that you disapprove of people who put it on you know (unclear)

I wouldn't say disapprove it all depends what their aims are in life (pause) if they

aye

if this is going to help them achieve what they want to achieve well fair enough

yeah

they they obviously want to live like that and talk like that

yeah

and if it helps them well well this is it

yeah you don't ever feel that you've ehm do you think you've ever done something similar you know (unclear) do you ever change your speech in a conscious way

not consciously

no (pause) it just I mean

because let's face it if you meet someone y they either like you for what you are (pause) and I mean (interruption) if you do s

aye

y y you start and (pause) speak ever so to be up with them and then they find out otherwise well what's the point you haven't achieved anything

yes that's (unclear) I s (interruption)

you are what you are

aye yes it would be nice to think that that people did just you know eh value you for what you are but I think it's prob probably not (interruption) altogether true you know I mean I think a lot of people (interruption)

(interruption) not now not now (interruption) I think a lot of people who are in business have to do this

would (pause) would take notice of the way you spoke I mean

yes especially men going for jobs it stands to (interruption) reason if they have two people one who does speak a little bit better and the other one who's very local in their dialect I think if this person's going to be a representative or something it stands to reason they're going to take the one who's a bit better spoken (interruption)

(interruption) yeah that's right (interruption) yes (unclear) ehm (pause) (unclear) from a you know a fairly general point of view do you think you approve of t Tyneside speech you know do you like to hear people talking Tyneside

not particularly

no

I like to hear them sing it on there

aye (unclear)

have you heard Alex Glasgow

(unclear)

well he used when we were all at school he used to sing at school

aye

that way he used to go to our school and I like to hear it sung like that I think it's ehm

ah yes but it's more for a joke (interruption) like or for a (unclear)

(unclear) as folk songs

aye uh-huh yes

ehm and I like to hear people (pause) ehm when they tell a story about it but I I don't like to hear it ehm

as a real language

(unclear) the way you live

aye (unclear) (pause) ehm

I think of all the dialects that it it it comes over the most (pause) (interruption) ehm what's the word

(unclear)

it just sounds (pause) it's not even the the way Scottish people talk it comes over rolling pleasantly

yeah

I don't think (interruption) Tyneside dial dialect does

you don't think Tyneside's (unclear) no

it doesn't sound pleasant to me

what do you think about other well certain other urban dialects you know Liverpool or Cockney

well they don't come over all that badly to me

no they're not as unpleasant as (interruption) Tyneside (unclear)

no no I think you can pick Tyneside out (pause) straight away

yeah (pause) eh (pause) you know the way ehm say the way the newsreaders talk on television

mm

ehm do you look upon that as a particularly correct way to speak (unclear)

mummy (pause) mummy (pause) mum can I cut this up

yes ehm (pause) yes I think they they must do this for the job do mustn't they

aye do you think that it's a sort of speech that people should imitate (unclear)

no I don't think you should imitate it

no you don't think you've imitated it in any way

I don't think so not that I'm aware of

no ehm

these people are trained I suppose ehm (pause) to do these things that they say

yeah

they know they know how to pronounce every word

yes

I suppose you could pick a book up and you could put a word in this song and they'd know how to pronounce it whereas I wouldn't

eh yeah yeah that may or may not be so (unclear) but ehm (pause) yeah I I was interested in you know if if you had a like if you if you correct your daughter for instance for talking for talking Tyneside what kind of what kind of speech do you think that she ought to talk you know ehm say (interruption) what's your ideal (unclear) to speak

well she comes I she comes in and she says ehm so and so along the street is going (pause) to the shop (pause) ehm (pause) can I go and all

aye

and I say as well

(unclear)

things like this

oh I see (unclear) do you but do you ever do you ever correct her for the way she pronounces things you know I mean say

if she says it incorrectly

just going doon there

yes I would say down there

aye but not daun there

no down there (laughter)

(laughter) yeah (pause) aye (unclear) I'm quite interested in the kind of things (interruption) that people feel they ought to change about Tyneside (interruption)

(interruption) I think ehm (interruption) ehm something else what was it she said the other day (pause) ganning

(unclear)

somebody had come and said they were ganning (pause) (interruption) to the park and I said it's not ganning it's going (interruption)

(interruption) yeah (interruption) yeah

so of course she said going

aye (pause) but you wouldn't want you wouldn't want her to sort of to lose all trace of of local accent (unclear)

well when she can reach the you see now she's only three she might grow up if she wasn't corrected she may grow up to think that that was the the correct way to say it

mm yeah

perhaps when she reaches an age where she can differentiate and realize that there is a dialect she can use it if she wants to

yeah

but she know wh the cronec correct pronunciation of the words

yes ehm (pause) I mean you know listening to I mean to listen to you for instance (unclear) you can quite easily tell that you come from Tyneside you know

yes

but you don't you don't think that's a bad thing you think that's a you think this is okay you know (interruption) (unclear)

yes because I mean let's face it y you live where you live and you can't help (interruption) it to a certain extent

yes (pause) yeah it's it's not your ideal to achieve a kind of speech which is completely unlocalisable

oh no

no no right thanks (pause) mm eh (pause) what ehm this might strike you as a bit of a vague sort of question but what sort of things do you think you can tell about somebody from the way he talks you know just from his pronunciation (unclear)

oh I wouldn't know about that

do you ever do you never guess things about people you know do you never listen to their voice and say (pause) eh

I can't say that I do

n no

no

you don't eh you wouldn't be willing to say make a guess about eh whether he worked in a factory or an office (pause) given that he was a Tynesider (unclear)

no I think there's a mi I think you'll find a mixture of of both

yeah (pause) ehm

because eh I mean I worked (interruption) in an office for eleven years and there were some people in the office (pause) ehm (pause) were very broad they spoke ehm (pause) (interruption)

(interruption) (unclear) (interruption) aye

th they spoke Tyneside all the time and I mean put them in a pub next to say someone who did come out of a factory (interruption) and I don't think you could tell the difference I think there's a a fair smattering all over (interruption)

(interruption) yeah (unclear) (interruption) yeah (pause) yes that's yeah there's certainly (pause) you know odd cases like

uh-huh

you know who don't fit in (unclear) you don't even feel that there's a a sort of overall eh correlation

no I don't think so

no mm mm ehm (pause) what eh (pause) what sort of accent would you say that I've got from listening to us now

say that you have

yeah

just about the same as I have

yeah yes (pause) more

very similar

yeah more or less localized than you do you think

I don't think so

or would you say the same

we're just about the same

(unclear) (pause) ehm (pause) eh (pause) now eh I've got a a list of words here which are all fairly local sort of Tyneside words you know I would just like to know for each one ehm firstly if you're if you're familiar with it you know

mm-hm

and secondly if you ever use it yourself

yeah

ehm (pause) (unclear) bairn (pause) little bairn

mm-hm yes

yes you use it

yeah

(unclear) eh bait

yes I've used that

mm-hm eh bonny

yes

(unclear) eh bray

say that one again

bray you know to bray somebody

oh yes yes

you sometimes use it

yes

(unclear) eh (pause) bullets

yes I've used that but just for a laugh to (unclear) to see what the ehm

aye yes

I can't say that I use (interruption) that regularly

you don't use it regularly

no

(unclear)

in fun

yes

I've used that in fun yes

(unclear) eh (pause) (unclear)

yes

yes eh (pause) boody

no

mm but do you know it

no I can't say (interruption) that I know that

no (unclear) (pause) for china (unclear) have a boody teapot (unclear)

oh yes (pause) I've heard my gran use that

aye but you

yes

but (unclear) it's very it's old fashioned to use it (unclear)

yeah

ehm (pause) cree

as in hen cree

aye yeah

yeah

if you had occasion to talk about one would you call it that

yes I dare say yes

mm-hm yeah ehm (pause) fettle

yes

(unclear) in the sense of to fettle something or to be in good fettle

yes

both

yes

mm ehm (pause) gully

gully

mm

as in knife

aye

big knife no

(unclear)

my father used to use that

yeah old fashioned again

I can't say that that I well I just call it a knife

aye yeah ehm (pause) howk

oh yes (laughter) I don't use it but I've (interruption) heard it I know it

I see yeah yeah ehm (pause) mense be more to your mense to get some work done

no

no

I don't say that no

eh (pause) parky

yes (unclear) (pause) related to food

for yes yeah

yes

yeah (pause) (interruption) varnigh

mummy look what I've done for you (unclear)

it's a word I don't use but I I've (interruption) heard my grandmother use it

(unclear)

that's for you

(unclear) thank you

for school

for school is it thank you (laughter)

(laughter) what about eh knooled knooled to be knooled

no I don't use that

no you know what it means (unclear)

ehm (pause) sort of brow beaten

that's right yes yeah hen pecked

yeah

yeah right (pause) ehm (pause) you know with eh (pause) have we got time for this (unclear)

mm-hm yes yes

ehm eh eh more or less on the same lines I'm going to read out eh a list of sentences which ehm (pause) eh I would just like to know if they sound like normal sentences to you you know if they sound like something that you could say if the circumstances arose you know what I mean ehm (pause) eh the difficulty here is that some people insist on correcting these in terms of you know what what they were taught at school and so on which isn't you know I I just want to know whether you whether you think you could actually say these (interruption) you know what I mean

whether I would say this yes

yes yeah ehm (pause) eh were you wakened last night when I came in

no I wouldn't say that

no ehm (pause) I was still abed when you called this morning

no

no ehm (pause) he never gave me any

say that one again

he never gave me any

yes I would say that

aye eh (pause) do you not go there very often

no I don't think I would say that

mm what what do you think you would prefer to say

don't you go there

don't go there ehm (pause) they're useless them

no I wouldn't say that

would you not

no

ehm (pause) me and John went to the races on Saturday

I dare say I could say that yes

(unclear) ehm (pause) I might could manage it

no I wouldn't say that

no ehm (pause) it's ower big to get through there

no I wouldn't say that

no (unclear) (pause) you know my cousin that her husband died

no I wouldn't say that

(unclear)

(laughter) you've got a problem on your hands (laughter)

(laughter) eh (pause) with the wife being ill I had to stay in and look after her

I dare say yes

yeah aye

yes I could say that

I'm going to stay with the son for the holidays

no

mm-hm ehm (pause) they go to the pictures of a Sunday

no

mm ehm (pause) I was coming home on the train and if I didn't leave my coat lying on the seat

yes I could say that

yeah ehm (pause) these ones are pretty big to them others

yes I can say that

yeah eh (pause) here she had left her pram standing outside the shop

yes I could say that as well

ehm (pause) I think we're going to be soon for the picture

yes I could say that

right ehm (pause) would you mind stop talking

I don't think I would say that

(laughter)

(laughter)

eh

just shout shut up (laughter)

yes eh yeah I suppose so ehm (pause) do you want a cup of tea making

no

no ehm (pause) you know him that used to work on the railways

I could say that yes

yeah ehm (pause) he happened a nasty accident

no

no ehm (pause) I'll put the kettle on for to make some tea

no

no ehm (pause) I wanted for to talk to you about it

no

ehm (pause) when did it happen you

no

mm eh I've got money belonging him

no

ehm (pause) could you mind your head so as I can see out the back

yes

yeah ehm (pause) I'm going to get some wool for our Pamela a jumper

yes

yeah eh (pause) it's all right for you you're used with it

yes

yeah ehm (pause) we've been waiting of a bus

no

no ehm (pause) I think they're going to give him the job permanent

yes

ehm (pause) I don't bother much about the television and that

I'm playing out here

yes

right eh (pause)

be quiet (NAME)

eh (pause) there was all these bottles of beer what we had brought

no

no eh many people were there there

mm-hm

mm-hm eh (pause) where did you get it at

no

no eh never mind I'll manage but

no

no eh (pause) no the wonder I couldn't get it to work it's not plugged in no the wonder

no

no

no

eh (pause) me and George is going to the town today

yes

yeah ehm (pause) Jack didn't think much to the race

no

eh (pause) all the caravan sites are good and I've stayed on them nearly all

yes

eh (pause) they've not seen it

yes

yeah ehm (pause) it's far too long this

yes

(unclear) (pause) how's your wife and family then

yes

(unclear) ehm (pause) Joe can't come tomorrow being as he's working late

no

no eh what is it he does for a living

no

eh he wants his wages paid immediately

yes

mm eh (pause) just light the fire on will you

no

no eh (pause) I'll clout yous both in a minute

yes (laughter)

(unclear) eh (pause) how much have they offered we

yes

mm eh (pause) pass us one of those spanners

yes

mm ehm (pause) I've broke a plate

yes

(unclear) ehm (pause)

you be careful

I come this morning but you weren't in

no

no ehm (pause) he done it all right

no

eh I had forgetten to buy the onions

no

mammy can I play with (NAME) with my bike

yes if (NAME)'s playing out but watch the roads

he is playing out (pause) he said (unclear) he said he's playing out

eh (pause) he give us a pound for doing it

yes

mm eh (pause) we had went to the coast for the day

no

(unclear) eh (pause) I seen Albert on Tuesday

no

(unclear) (pause) I'm not going to stand being tret like that

no

(unclear) ehm (pause) that's what happens when you be naughty

no

(unclear) (pause) I'll probably see him a Saturday

yes

ehm (pause) I doubt he'll have to stay in hospital