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Speaker 1:

interviewerTLSG02

Speaker 2:

informantTLSG02a

Age Group:

31-40

Gender:

Male

Residence:

Tyneside - Gateshead

Education:

Left school at 15; subsequent night school

Occupation:

Painter and Decorator

Speaker 3:

informantTLSG02b

Speaker 4:

informantTLSG02c

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Speaker 1:

right (pause) (unclear)

Speaker 2:

T L S G three twenty

Speaker 1:

ta (pause) eh (pause) first of all eh could you tell us where you were born please

Speaker 2:

Gateshead

Speaker 1:

you were born in Gateshead were you whereabouts

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) Sunderland Road actually Howe Street

Speaker 1:

oh yes ehm (pause) and eh whereabouts have you lived since then you know how long did you stay there

Speaker 2:

well not too long apparently just a matter of months I think and from there I went to Lobley Hill (pause) you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

eh went up there during the war eh (pause) just shortly after the war we moved back down to Gateshead Coatsworth Road area

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

and from there to South Street where I am now

Speaker 1:

yes eh how did you think those eh those various areas compared with it as places to live you know which which did you like best

Speaker 2:

well I'm quite happy here I must ad you know I must say but eh Lobley Hill actually it's it's quite nice up there you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

course it's changed a lot since then since since when I lived there (pause) I was only you know (pause) well a toddler more or less you know

Speaker 1:

aye yeah

Speaker 2:

up up to the age of about eight or nine

Speaker 1:

yeah was that before (unclear) (unclear)

Speaker 2:

that's right there was plenty green fields (interruption) you know

Speaker 1:

aye yeah

Speaker 2:

eh it's it's changed quite a bit in that respect but still quite nice you know

Speaker 1:

yes yes it's that coking plant at the bottom that gets me like

Speaker 2:

aye

Speaker 1:

I've just been up there it's (unclear) a really dirty place isn't it

Speaker 2:

whereabouts

Speaker 1:

the the coking the Norwood coking plant (interruption) at the bottom of the hill you know

Speaker 2:

oh that's oh of course aye (pause) aye it does (unclear)

Speaker 1:

ehm what about ehm you know the people in the various places do you find that people round here are fairly neighbourly you know do you

Speaker 2:

oh yes yes

Speaker 1:

you know most people in this street around the you know quite near you for instance

Speaker 2:

wey quite a you know quite a few I find them quite all right we've had no bother at all you know we've got on quite well with everybody and

Speaker 1:

eh would you say you were fairly attached to Gateshead as a place to live in you know I mean what about Newcastle for instance would you ever move over there

Speaker 2:

I don't think so no I think I would prefer here you know

Speaker 1:

yes so

Speaker 2:

course there again it's just of you've always lived here you know

Speaker 1:

aye uh-huh

Speaker 2:

and you know I've no desire to move you know to move this is in the area of course I've no desire to move to Newcastle you know

Speaker 1:

yes do you think you would ever move anywhere you know I mean away from here all together very easily

Speaker 2:

eh possible yeah yeah mm-hm

Speaker 1:

yeah would that be for sort of practical reasons you know I mean because of better eh job prospects

Speaker 2:

possibly yes I would say so yeah yeah

Speaker 1:

but you've never you've never actually lived away from (interruption) Tyneside at all

Speaker 2:

I haven't no I've always been I've always been on Tyneside

Speaker 1:

right

Speaker 2:

apart from two years National Service (laughter)

Speaker 1:

yes where did you do that

Speaker 2:

that was Germany you know uh-huh

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

a month at Catterick and then to Germany

Speaker 1:

yes do you think that eh (pause) Tynesiders are very different from people from other parts of the country from your experience

Speaker 2:

eh no I find I get on pretty well (pause) okay with anybody you know I mean you hear people go on about you know the southerners are are (pause) you know different from northerners and things like this but the people I come across which in the army you know you find you meet (pause) you know all walks of life and eh you know I seem to get on quite all right with everybody there's good and bad you know all over let's face it (unclear)

Speaker 1:

that's true aye yeah whereabouts were your eh your parents born were they born in Gateshead as well

Speaker 2:

eh yes my mother was actually my father was born in South Shields you know

Speaker 1:

yeah yeah but they were both eh sort of local people and lived on Tyneside all their lives (unclear)

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

and eh what was your father's occupation

Speaker 2:

he was eh an engineer

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) could you tell us which age group you come into on that card if you just say the letter

Speaker 2:

C

Speaker 1:

ta and ehm (pause) on what basis you occupy this house again if you could just say the letter

Speaker 2:

B

Speaker 1:

ta (pause) ehm (pause) what eh what's your job at the moment (unclear)

Speaker 2:

eh painter and decorator

Speaker 1:

aye eh who do you work for

Speaker 2:

well actually I'm employed by the Five Bridges Hotel

Speaker 1:

is that right

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

to do I mean

Speaker 2:

maintenance you know on the maintenance side (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 1:

oh inside the inside the building

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

is that just eh just one of you or is there a little team of you

Speaker 2:

yes there's a team actually the maintenance all told is about nine you know that includes eh three electricians three painters a joiner eh couple of handy men you know this sort of thing

Speaker 1:

yeah (pause) yes you never think of that really that there must be (interruption) quite a you know squad of people to keep the place (unclear)

Speaker 2:

it's amazing it's amazing I mean you you've got about one hundred and sixty bedrooms you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

alone that's without your restaurants your bars (interruption) mm you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

eh kitchens eh it's (pause) (interruption) trying to

Speaker 1:

so you just circle round decorating it all like (laughter)

Speaker 2:

mm aye it's it's quite a bit of work attached (interruption) mm-hm

Speaker 1:

yes do you think is it eh is it a pretty good job you know do you enjoy it like

Speaker 2:

I'm enjoying it actually yeah yeah

Speaker 1:

have you worked there very long

Speaker 2:

I haven't no I've been down there about six weeks

Speaker 1:

oh

Speaker 2:

you know eh as I say at the moment I'm just getting to know the place you know

Speaker 1:

mm-hm yes

Speaker 2:

and eh but it it's quite interesting you know the work's pretty good

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

plus eh there's people coming and going all the time you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

you see odd personalities you know like round the place this sort of thing you know it sort of makes the day you know a bit more (pause) interesting like

Speaker 1:

have you eh have you worked at more or less the same job all your life (interruption) since

Speaker 2:

since I left school yes

Speaker 1:

yes you served an apprenticeship (interruption) as soon as you left school

Speaker 2:

that's right yes uh-huh

Speaker 1:

what eh what other firms have you worked for

Speaker 2:

well this the firm I served my time for was a chap called Alison you know a small private firm

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 2:

did a lot of private work over Newcastle you know Jesmond Gosforth

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

eh this sort of thing I left eh National Service of course eh (pause) come back and I went to Carrick's as a maintenance painter there you know (pause) went round doing all the shops

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

quite a good job

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

I left there to start on my own starting a business on my own which didn't succeed you know it lasted about twelve month it was two of us (pause) actually you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

eh things didn't quite work out we had a bad spell during the winter you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

s which is a bad time for the building trade you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

and eh we called it off you know we we thought while the going's good and we didn't owe anybody anything you know we thought we'd get out

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) from there another maintenance job at Hunter's the bakers you know on the Team Valley

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

and from there to the Five Bridges

Speaker 1:

uh-huh yes do you think that eh do you consider eh long term prospects to be very important in a job you know I mean do you usually look for a job that you think is going to is going to last or do you (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 2:

well personally I do you know I you gets you get fellows who eh like you know like to jump around you know eh lodging jobs you know they don't mind travelling away out of the district (pause) this sort of thing me I don't think it appeals to me you know I prefer most jobs I've had I've give them a fair (interruption) a fair try you know

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 2:

I've been there quite a few years yeah

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) these are just a a few questions to find out whether you use certain words eh if something's eh stacked on a high shelf do you say it's up a height do you use that expression

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

yes eh do you ever say of a a tool or something that you're going to use eh this'll do the job clever

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no eh if somebody's had too too much to drink he's what do you say

Speaker 2:

mm eh (pause) pineapple chunk (laughter)

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

(laughter) drunk eh eh one or two other words which I'll not use in public like (laughter) (pause) you know

Speaker 1:

(laughter) (unclear) eh

Speaker 2:

well served you know

Speaker 1:

well served aye yes

Speaker 2:

that's a (pause) quite favourite you know well oiled well served

Speaker 1:

eh (unclear) on again eh how old were you when you left school fifteen

Speaker 2:

fifteen yeah

Speaker 1:

yeah eh do you think you were glad to leave school at the time

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) no I don't think I was actually you know I sort of felt it there a little bit when I left school (laughter)

Speaker 1:

sentimental

Speaker 2:

uh-huh for some reason or other yes (pause) uh-huh (pause) mm-hm

Speaker 1:

do you think eh (pause) you would have been eh willing to stay on like if if you had had the chance or

Speaker 2:

I think I would yeah if I'd had the chance like you know but

Speaker 1:

have you had any eh (pause) further education since then of any kind (interruption) no

Speaker 2:

no well just night schools (pause) eh (pause) for the trade of course you know eh when I first started serving my time you know you had to attend night school three nights a week

Speaker 1:

aye yes

Speaker 2:

you know eh since then of course they've started day schools you know it was a little bit before my time that I just missed out

Speaker 1:

I see yes you mean apprentices now normally (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 2:

yes they usually attend one day a week you know

Speaker 1:

did you find it was very useful you know (interruption) the night night classes

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) ah not really no not no no

Speaker 1:

didn't teach you anything (interruption) that you wouldn't have learned

Speaker 2:

not really it was a lot of theory and stuff which to me like that didn't doesn't quite in our job I don't think you know

Speaker 1:

aye learnt more on the job (unclear)

Speaker 2:

it's more you've got to do it you know practically with your hands you know

Speaker 1:

yes yes eh (pause) looking back on your education as a whole would you say that it's been worth very much to you you know in your life since you left school

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) well I don't consider I've had a really good education you know I don't think so possibly I wasn't too bright you know I was just sort of middle of the road you know

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) eh I more and less just try and use my own common sense you know this sort of thing yeah it's eh

Speaker 1:

yes would you say that that you know you do you think you've mostly forgotten what you learned at (interruption) school you know you've

Speaker 2:

yeah I would say I have yeah yeah yes (interruption) mm-hm

Speaker 1:

(unclear) eh (pause) do you think that eh (pause) you know if if eh if you had a a child let's say who was eh approaching school leaving age do you think you would advise them to stay on at school if he could I mean do you think it would be of much importance

Speaker 2:

yes I think it is definitely

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

oh aye yes yeah education today yeah especially you know aye you need these you need education all the way definitely (pause) yes

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) going back eh even further in your education if that's possible ehm you you were living in ehm Lobley Hill when you were fairly young you know let's say when you were under twelve you know

Speaker 2:

oh yes yeah

Speaker 1:

eh were you did you think that was a good place to live from your point of view then as a kid you know do you did you enjoy your childhood

Speaker 2:

mm I did yeah yeah

Speaker 1:

can you remember any other sorts of ehm things you used to do you know any of the games you used to play or or things you used to get up to then

Speaker 2:

mm (pause) I can remember my mother telling us I was always running away in the middle of an air raid (laughter)

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

they could never find us like and things like this you know eh (pause) but other than that like you know I I I can't remember too much even even the people the friends I had had in the street there it's quite hard I don't think I could even remember their names now you know

Speaker 1:

aye it's funny some people remember their childhood dead clear you know (interruption) and some people can't remember (unclear)

Speaker 2:

yes oh I can just remember odd spots you know (unclear) such as that running away during the air raids you know always when you shouldn't be then there'd be a flap on in the house you know where is he (laughter)

Speaker 1:

eh can you remember ehm this is you know again just to find out what words you used to use for things

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

can you remember what you used to call a game where one of the kids had to chase the others to try to touch them

Speaker 2:

mm-hm tuggy

Speaker 1:

yes that's what I used to call it as well

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

and eh what did you used to say about the one who had to chase the others what (pause) he was

Speaker 2:

he was on

Speaker 1:

on aye ehm (pause) and what did you used to say did you have a sort of truce word for when you wanted to call a halt in a game or something did you used to

Speaker 2:

yes skinchies

Speaker 1:

skinchies

Speaker 2:

skinchies or skinchers (unclear) which

Speaker 1:

yes yes eh and what did you used to call ehm you know like glass things that you flick along the ground

Speaker 2:

marble

Speaker 1:

you didn't have another word for them

Speaker 2:

liggies

Speaker 1:

liggies aye (laughter)

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

(laughter) fantastic

Speaker 1:

people from you know I mean different places like Hebburn always have different words for all those things it's quite inter

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

eh still on the line of eh the words you use for things can you tell us ehm just what you call each of the rooms in this house please what your normal word is for each room

Speaker 2:

well I would say the back's the scullery of course

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

eh since then we have I don't know but this isn't what we normally do call it isn't it

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

I know it should be the kitchenette

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

kitchenette (unclear)

Speaker 2:

but eh you know scullery

Speaker 1:

aye (laughter)

Speaker 2:

eh kitchen (laughter) (unclear) no this is this is what normally we used to call it you know

Speaker 3:

what you call it now you mean

Speaker 2:

oh aye (pause) well (pause) (interruption) I more or less (unclear) call it the same there you know I've eh forgot eh

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

most people do I think

Speaker 2:

yeah yeah (pause) bedrooms

Speaker 1:

yes that's fair enough eh and ehm (pause) to get out your back door you probably have to lift the (pause) what do you call that

Speaker 2:

well we haven't actually (laughter)

Speaker 1:

do you not to answer the back door to get out my back door (interruption) you had to

Speaker 2:

yeah we just had the we just had the bathrooms (unclear) you know and eh (pause) it's eh just a lock and you've got the knob you know the door knob which you and you don't

Speaker 1:

what do you call the thing you have to lift if you had one

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) we usually called it the sneck

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

still do mm

Speaker 1:

and eh again if you had a coal fire what do you call the thing you put in front of it to get it going

Speaker 2:

a bleezer

Speaker 1:

yes and eh what do you call eh cleaning the plates and things after a meal

Speaker 2:

washing up

Speaker 1:

mm-hm ta eh (pause) could you tell us please just ehm (pause) how you like to spend your spare time you know your evenings and weekends you know

Speaker 3:

(unclear)

Speaker 2:

well I like a drink you know

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

it's I quite like a drink uh-huh

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

football of course I like playing football I've just come in the night after five aside

Speaker 1:

oh aye you were out the other night when I called like

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

whereabouts do you play

Speaker 2:

we play in the Five Bridges actually in the the bowling alley there you know

Speaker 1:

ah yes I was wondering what they used that for (interruption) now

Speaker 2:

it's it's eh (pause) since they've closed the bowl down you know it's eh it's vacant and eh we've got a football team from the Bridges you know

Speaker 1:

do you

Speaker 2:

of course we're all training and what not in there you know

Speaker 1:

who plays just the staff play there or

Speaker 2:

yeah yeah interested in music I spend quite a fair time listening to records

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

yeah

Speaker 1:

what kind of records

Speaker 2:

well jazz you know mainly jazz classi I like the classics you know but eh (pause) I've (unclear) (pause) fair selection (pause) of classical and jazz mainly big band stuff you know

Speaker 1:

mm eh how often would you say you go out in a week you know more often out than in

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

yeah yeah but ehm what about watching television do you do you watch television much when you're in

Speaker 2:

I do a fair amount like you know when I am in I do sit down and watch it you know

Speaker 1:

what kind of things do you like you know

Speaker 2:

well here again the sport you know for me mainly like

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

I like the documentaries and eh a decent play you know

Speaker 1:

aye (pause) is it usually (pause) on all the time you're in

Speaker 2:

yes always on mm-hm

Speaker 1:

mm-hm ehm (pause) this is a nice hypothetical sort of question for you what what do you think you would do if you won a very large amount of money tomorrow if you won the pools or something you know quarter of amillion

Speaker 2:

yeah (pause) eh (pause) have a good holiday first yes

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 2:

mm-hm go abroad somewhere you know (pause) and then come back and possibly buy a nice house at Whickham somewhere this sort of thing

Speaker 1:

yes is it do you think Whickham's a desirable place

Speaker 2:

well I would say it is yes I don't want to move really too far away you know I think if I had the money I would buy a house up at Whickham somewhere you know well up

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) eh (pause) and retire of course after that I mean you know (interruption) (laughter) possibly start a little business and put the wife in it you know (interruption) (unclear) fair shop keeper

Speaker 1:

(interruption) (laughter)

Speaker 3:

(interruption) (laughter)

Speaker 1:

(laughter) be a good idea do you think it would change your style of life very much you know do you

Speaker 2:

well I would hope it wouldn't but I I suppose it w it would you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

we've argued about this does it change you but I you you would like to think you would stay the same but (pause) I don't know you know I would like to think that

Speaker 1:

yes yeah but you think it might sort of corrupt you like (unclear)

Speaker 2:

well you know I suppose you can get your troubles you know when you get a lot of money

Speaker 1:

I think that's yes it's true like aye I t talk to some you know I talk to some people who say that eh they're sure it wouldn't change their way of life at all you know they'd still go round with their false teeth out in the middle of (unclear) and that sort of thing you know

Speaker 2:

I don't think so somehow you know I don't think other people would allow you to do it actually

Speaker 1:

aye can be very true like yeah

Speaker 2:

you know if they knew that eh you know your best friend knows that you've won a quarter of amillion pound I (unclear) it must make a difference you know somehow

Speaker 1:

aye that's true

Speaker 2:

jealousy and all kinds can creep in you know and eh I don't want to go near them because they think we're hanging round and all this business you know

Speaker 1:

that's true yes (pause) it could be quite nasty really when you think about it

Speaker 2:

but basically I would like to think everything would just be more or less the same you know

Speaker 1:

yeah yeah you don't think ehm you don't think you'd miss very much in your pre pre present way of life anyway you know you don't ehm would you say there are very many things you know that you would like to do but you can't or or would you say you were fairly contented (unclear)

Speaker 2:

oh I'm fairly content at the moment I must admit yeah

Speaker 1:

ehm (pause) these are just a few questions about your eh opinions on some ordinary matters ehm what do you think that eh parents should do when their children misbehave

Speaker 2:

well use a little bit discipline you know definitely eh (pause) certainly check them you know put them put them to bed (unclear)

Speaker 1:

yeah what about (pause) clouting them you know do you think they should (pause) be given a good hiding fairly often or just

Speaker 2:

no I don't think so no no

Speaker 1:

just for special things like (unclear) you know

Speaker 2:

depending you know how bad it was it was like

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

I'm not going to say a clip around the lugs doesn't do anybody any (pause) any harm you know at times like (pause) but eh not too much violence no

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

I never had it you know

Speaker 1:

yeah yeah

Speaker 2:

I can't even remember being hit by my parents you know

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

but plenty tellings off and possibly pushed in a bedroom that sort of thing you're in for the night

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

of course I'm going back when I was you know

Speaker 1:

yeah yeah what about eh a young person of say sixteen do you think they should be you know more or less allowed to do as they want or

Speaker 2:

well can you stop them

Speaker 1:

mm good point

Speaker 2:

it's difficult you know ah it depends a lot on how you're bro I think on how you're brought up eh from the beginning you know I mean if your parents have you know they've had a little bit there's been a little bit discipline about I don't think you've anything to worry about you know (unclear) when a person reaches sixteen they're pretty stable and well you know they've they know right from wrong eh and you sort of leave it to them after that

Speaker 1:

yes you wouldn't need to be controlled very much

Speaker 2:

wey I shouldn't think so as isay I divn't think you could really

Speaker 1:

yeah mm eh going on to something different again and eh this is a question you don't have to answer if you don't want because some people don't ehm (pause) which way do you vote do you usually tell people

Speaker 2:

well I've never voted for this past two or three years I must admit

Speaker 1:

have you not yeah (pause) why is that

Speaker 2:

eh possibly a little bit lazy you know

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

yeah I don't eh (pause) I'm not really politically minded (laughter)

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 2:

which is you know eh I don't think I take a big enough interest actually you know

Speaker 1:

yes yes I suppose I see what you (interruption) mean

Speaker 2:

I'm too busy doing too many other things you know

Speaker 1:

yes do you think (pause) yeah (pause) do you think the eh you know the political parties are sort of more or less the same and not worth not worth voting between them (pause) or is it just that you can't be bothered you know I mean there's a lot of people don't vote for that reason I think

Speaker 2:

well I what I'm saying I I I can't be bothered eh you know I I I w wouldn't go as far as to say that usually I'm doing something else you know working or something you know eh this this this sort of thing and eh you say to yourself oh I I'll pop in but you know you don't you you carry on working or you go straight to the job and (pause) you know this type of thing a little bit easily put off you know

Speaker 1:

mm-hm (pause) eh (pause) now if eh (pause) if we could just go on to talk for a bit about the thing we are most interested in that's the way you talk and that and what you what you think about it ehm firstly do you think you ever change the way you speak according to you know the person you're talking to or any other sort of circumstances

Speaker 2:

I I try to

Speaker 1:

do you yes quite consciously you try to yeah

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

in what sort of eh situations

Speaker 2:

eh well if you're having an interview or something like that you know for one you you you talk (unclear) you try (pause) you know to talk a little bit different than what you do when you're on the shop floor or you know if you're at work anything like that just talking to the lads you know you try an

Speaker 1:

yeah that's that's the sort of you know a bit of a special occasion do you think eh do you think you generally try to adapt your speech you know towards the the person you're talking to you know I mean would you say that eh if you were talking to somebody who spoke fairly you know properly (interruption) let's say

Speaker 2:

yes oh (interruption) yes

Speaker 1:

do you think you would do you think you would tend to talk less localized to them

Speaker 2:

yes definitely yeah

Speaker 1:

and that would be fairly conscious (interruption) (unclear) more or less (unclear) to do that yeah

Speaker 2:

yeah definitely yes (pause) mm-hm

Speaker 1:

ehm how would you say you're talking now you know I mean (pause) what w is this as localized as you ever talk or

Speaker 2:

well I'll you know more or less talk like this all the time really (interruption) yeah

Speaker 1:

all the time (pause) at work

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) no sometimes I'm a little bit worse at work (pause) you know

Speaker 1:

like you mean more more localized (interruption) at work than what you are now (interruption) a bit

Speaker 2:

yes yeah a little bit more yeah

Speaker 1:

mm but not very much

Speaker 2:

no not really I don't consider I think I'm just talking you know the way most people talk in Gateshead you know just the average without going too more you know (pause) local like

Speaker 1:

yeah eh and do you also feel that you've talked more or less the same way all your life you know I mean

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

you haven't changed on any permanent (pause) basis you know

Speaker 2:

no let me just

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) would you say that ehm (pause) you more or less approve of people talking in in local accents you know what imean do you like say Tyneside accents generally

Speaker 2:

I don't particularly like it I must admit

Speaker 1:

you (unclear)

Speaker 2:

no when I hear it you know over the radio or television or you know possibly I'm hearing my own voice back you know

Speaker 1:

aye (unclear)

Speaker 2:

it's eh very flat you know it doesn't eh excite me in any way at all

Speaker 1:

(laughter) do you think I mean that might even be true of your own speech if I played it back (interruption) you would disapprove of that

Speaker 2:

oh yes oh I've no doubt I will

Speaker 1:

yeah it's not just the very broad sort of eh you know (interruption) (unclear) Geordie

Speaker 2:

it's the same I mean when you hear you hear people on the telephone you know I mean (NAME)'s when I've telephoned (NAME) or anything like that you know she says you sound terrible on the phone you know really (unclear)

Speaker 1:

(laughter) yes

Speaker 2:

I'll say well you don't sound so hot yourself (laughter)

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

you know but this is the way it comes over on the telephone for me oh (pause) very flat you know

Speaker 1:

yeah nearly e (pause) everybody thinks that yeah do you think ehm is there any ehm would that go for most other local accents of England you know I mean like Cockney or Liverpool accents do you (pause) think the same about them

Speaker 2:

Cockney I'm not well you know I like the Liverpool accent actually you know

Speaker 1:

sounds nicer than ours (interruption) do you think

Speaker 2:

yeah

Speaker 1:

eh mm eh (pause) and would you say that eh (pause) you know would you usually correct I mean your children if if you have any if they sort of for talking very very broad accent you know I mean if they say just fallen doon hit me heed or (interruption) something like that

Speaker 2:

oh yes yes

Speaker 1:

you would tell them not to say you'd tell them to talk properly would you

Speaker 2:

I would try

Speaker 1:

yes nearly everybody says (interruption) that

Speaker 2:

and no doubt I would go straight out and say that to the lads (interruption) you know

Speaker 1:

exactly yes everybody tells their children off for it yes

Speaker 2:

well I think we'd all like to be able to talk better you know but here we're all w we're stuck with it and that's it

Speaker 1:

yes would you say that ehm is ehm (pause) since you disapprove of eh of of local accents more or less eh do you approve of you know the way I mean the way the newsreaders speak on television for instance

Speaker 2:

do I approve

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

(unclear) oh yes

Speaker 1:

do you think that's a good way to talk

Speaker 2:

that to me is quite you know yeah that's the

Speaker 1:

do you know any do you know anybody yourself who talks like that

Speaker 2:

eh not quite as well I don't think no (pause) n not personally you know not eh

Speaker 1:

what about in the Five Bridges or anything like that you know

Speaker 2:

oh well you've got the manager you know who's you know rather well spoken quite a few people are you know

Speaker 1:

mm getting on that way

Speaker 2:

nicely spoken I would say you know but I I don't think you you would compare them with the likes of these newscasters you know

Speaker 1:

mm mm ehm (pause) do you think it would be a good idea if everybody spoke like that you know

Speaker 2:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

seems as if you should think that from what you've been saying but

Speaker 2:

eh

Speaker 1:

perhaps you don't want to go that far

Speaker 2:

no no I mean eh I mean I I'm not I'm not against eh local dialects you know by any means eh I mean that's quite but I you know I prefer I would like to think that I could speak better you know

Speaker 1:

really

Speaker 2:

yes uh-huh I think you know if everybody spoke nicely that would do for me (laughter) yeah yeah

Speaker 1:

this ehm this might be a bit a bit of a vague question eh what kind of things

Speaker 2:

like some of my answers (laughter)

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

(laughter) what eh what kind of things do you think you can tell about somebody from the way they talk in general I mean do you usually guess things about people from their pronunciation

Speaker 2:

well generally I think you know possibly the way they've been brought up from which area you know eh Gosforth or Jesmond you know this sort of thing you can usually pick you can usually pick those kind of people out I think you know more than what you could say somebody off the high street or even Deckham where I live you know

Speaker 1:

yes that's more or less a a a social class thing (interruption) really y yes you can tell upper class people

Speaker 3:

(unclear) (NAME) (pause) excuse me it's the telephone (unclear)

Speaker 2:

sorry

Speaker 1:

eh you can tell something about their social status or something like that then yes

Speaker 2:

yes uh-huh

Speaker 1:

ehm what would you say eh about me along those lines form listening to me talk

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) (laughter) now then (pause) well you you've had quite a fair bringing up I would say like you know I mean I

Speaker 1:

would you say w well first of all would you say I come from Tyneside

Speaker 2:

oh yes yes (interruption) Tyneside yeah

Speaker 1:

I'm glad you said that (unclear)

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) and eh (pause) would you say I talk well like you for instance fairly close to you or not

Speaker 2:

possibly a little bit better you know but eh (pause) (interruption) you know reasonably close

Speaker 1:

yeah uh-huh it's it's (pause) yes I would have said fairly close to yours like you know (unclear) some people say weird things about me you know that they say they couldn't tell I come from Tyneside at all and things like that always worries me

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

eh ehm can eh presumably when you're in other parts of the country people can normally tell you come from Tyneside

Speaker 2:

yes sometimes they mistake you for eh do you come from Wales (laughter) are you a Welshman on odd occasions you know

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) eh (pause) when you're in other parts of Tyneside you know when you're talking to people from Newcastle say does anybody ever guess you come from Gateshead

Speaker 2:

eh no no I don't think they can

Speaker 1:

or put another way do you think that you could ever guess that somebody came from Gateshead as opposed to Newcastle

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

not particularly

Speaker 2:

no not particularly no

Speaker 1:

I don't think I can (unclear) eh

Speaker 2:

further down you know Sunderland way

Speaker 1:

aye yes

Speaker 2:

well Washington of course which is closer you know there's a difference Birtley even you know which isn't too far off

Speaker 1:

mm-hm yes

Speaker 2:

but eh certainly not Newcastle and Gateshead they're (pause) closer

Speaker 1:

what what what about Wallsend

Speaker 2:

Wallsend I I haven't noticed you know no

Speaker 1:

I'm never quite sure about that s sometimes think I can sometimes not eh anyway could you eh if you could just read that list of words for us please (unclear) straight down from top to bottom

Speaker 2:

from top to bottom is it

Speaker 1:

ignore the scribblings (unclear)

Speaker 2:

find mind fly bill well men head back farm wall daughter down take straight cold alone poor fire four tower path after earth year me field being been new moon school revolution but none seven one long holiday room book good maker wafer I'm putting it on now

Speaker 1:

you are aren't you (laughter)

Speaker 2:

(laughter) happy Harry Mary yes better something fall which apple television absent realize Newcastle Seahouses method concert descend chocolate explain industry condemn

Speaker 1:

ta

Speaker 2:

(unclear) there's three (unclear)

Speaker 1:

yes I I I've never met anybody who didn't you know I mean change their eh voice a little bit when it came to reading out words

Speaker 2:

aye well you know it is you know what's happening you know and I think you're trying to eh for some reason or other

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) now eh (pause) I'm going to read out a list of words which are all fairly eh fairly local sort of words you know and I'd just like to know if you're well firstly if you're familiar with them and secondly if you use them you know

Speaker 2:

uh-huh

Speaker 1:

eh aside for beside it's just aside the fire

Speaker 2:

we I'm familiar with it I have used it but eh not not too much no

Speaker 1:

bairn a little bairn

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

bait

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

yes eh bonny

Speaker 2:

bonny mm-hm

Speaker 1:

yes eh bray for to hit bray

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

don't think you would use it

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

bullets (pause) for sweets

Speaker 2:

for sweets yes

Speaker 1:

yes eh eh clamming

Speaker 2:

uh-huh (laughter)

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

(laughter) well you use these things at (interruption) work you know I mean I d I when you're out you know on an evening or something like that you don't but at work you know it's you do use these words

Speaker 3:

(unclear) (laughter)

Speaker 1:

boody

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

you wouldn't use it but you know what it is

Speaker 2:

eh boody it's eh I know well I know you know you've just got to tell us give us a hint

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

boody

Speaker 1:

like ehm china broken (interruption) china

Speaker 2:

yes no I'm not eh

Speaker 1:

but you wouldn't use it ehm clarts

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

thick (unclear) clarts (interruption) yes I (unclear) use it (unclear)

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

coin coin a corner

Speaker 2:

coin no

Speaker 1:

no cree

Speaker 2:

eh cree

Speaker 1:

mm pigeon cree

Speaker 2:

no wey I'm not a pigeon man I never talk about (interruption) (unclear) (laughter)

Speaker 1:

no occasion to use it

Speaker 2:

no I divn't

Speaker 1:

yeah fettle

Speaker 2:

no not particularly no

Speaker 1:

not eh to fettle something

Speaker 2:

no I don't use it a lot personally mind I mean

Speaker 1:

but you hear it plenty

Speaker 2:

I hear it uh-huh aye

Speaker 1:

but you don't think you use

Speaker 2:

I don't use it that much no

Speaker 1:

gully

Speaker 2:

gully

Speaker 3:

(laughter) that's a bread knife (laughter)

Speaker 2:

no I usually call it a bread knife (laughter)

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

eh howk

Speaker 2:

(laughter) give him a good (interruption) howking (interruption) uh-huh sometimes yes (unclear)

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

hoy (interruption) just hoy it across

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) ah yes yes

Speaker 1:

ken for to know

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

not do you ken him or anything

Speaker 2:

no that's eh way up further up isn't it

Speaker 1:

mm some people on Tyneside use it (unclear) ehm lowe for a light give us a lowe

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

never heard it

Speaker 2:

it's a new one on me absolutely you know

Speaker 1:

just just very occasionally we come across people who still say give us a lowe for give us a match you know

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

eh mense more to your mense to get some work done (unclear) something like that

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no eh parky

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

yes about your food

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

varnigh

Speaker 2:

well the odd occasions yes

Speaker 1:

yes eh (pause) mell

Speaker 2:

that's the

Speaker 1:

the hammer

Speaker 2:

no no wey you know I have heard it y I d it's a word I wouldn't use myself like you know

Speaker 1:

don't use hammers (laughter)

Speaker 2:

(laughter) no

Speaker 1:

what about knooled be knooled

Speaker 2:

no ah tha tha that's faded out that one now surely hasn't it (interruption) still used

Speaker 1:

it's surprising some people I mean you might be right in a way like that it's you know older people would tend to use it like but it's still you know still around ehm (pause) now eh more or less on the same lines you know I'm going to read out ehm a list of of eh sentences for each one I would just like to know whether whether it sounds okay to you that is whether it sounds like something that you might say if the circumstance arose you know what imean if it's just sort of if it sounds like a normal sentence really the trouble is that some people eh insist on correcting all of these a according to sort of what they remember of what they were taught at school you know which tends to mess the whole thing about because you know I'm sort of interested (interruption) in what you think you would really say

Speaker 2:

I hear yes

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) were you wakened last night when I came in were you wakened

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

you would say that

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

eh I was still abed when you called this morning

Speaker 2:

I would say I I was still in bed I think yeah

Speaker 1:

he never gave us any

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

do you not go there very often

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

ehm (pause) they're useless them

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

yeah eh me and John went to the races on Saturday

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no ehm I might could manage it

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

what about he wouldn't could have worked even if you'd have asked him he wouldn't could have worked even if you'd have asked him

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no ehm it's ower big to get through there

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

eh you know my cousin that her husband died

Speaker 2:

say that again

Speaker 1:

you know my cousin that her husband died

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no sounds odd does it

Speaker 2:

yeah

Speaker 1:

eh with the wife being ill I had to stay in and look after her

Speaker 2:

yeah

Speaker 1:

I'm going to stay with the son for the holidays

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

we go to the pictures of a Sunday

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

I was coming home on the train and if I didn't leave my coat lying on the seat

Speaker 2:

mm I suppose I I do y do you mean do I use these like I mean you know

Speaker 1:

yes would you would you say like

Speaker 2:

no I don't think I would have described it that way (interruption) no no

Speaker 1:

if I didn't leave my coat lying on the seat these ones are pretty big to them others

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

here she had left her pram standing outside the shop

Speaker 2:

yes uh-huh

Speaker 1:

eh I think we're going to be soon for the picture

Speaker 2:

mm (pause) mm-hm

Speaker 1:

yeah would you mind stop talking

Speaker 2:

I suppose so yes

Speaker 1:

do you want a cup of tea making

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no eh you know him that used to work on the railways

Speaker 2:

mm-hm (laughter) it's silly but you do you know y y you say these things

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

oh yes (unclear) picture that I know I say that anyway in fact I can't think of a better way to put it (laughter)

Speaker 2:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

he happened a nasty accident

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

yeah eh I'll put the kettle on for to make some tea

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

yes in fact he said something like that on the phone I was just (unclear)

Speaker 2:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

how about I wanted for to talk to you about it

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no yeah yeah mm when did it happen you when did it happen you

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no eh I've got money belonging him

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no you would say belonging to him

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

eh could you mind your head so as I can see out the back

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

I'm going to get some wool for our Pamela a jumper

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

I'm going shopping for John a pair of trousers

Speaker 2:

mm no

Speaker 1:

no ehm it's all right for you you're used with it

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

mm eh we've been waiting of a bus

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

yeah I think they're going to give him the job permanent

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

mm I don't bother much about the television and that

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

yeah there was all these bottles of beer what we had brought

Speaker 2:

(laughter) no

Speaker 1:

no many people were there there

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

where did you get it at

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) never mind I'll manage but

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no eh never the wonder I couldn't get it to work it's not plugged in never the wonder

Speaker 2:

eh possibly you know no not really you'd more or less say (interruption) no wonder

Speaker 1:

no wonder (pause) ehm (pause) me and George is going to the town today

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

eh Jack didn't think much to the race

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no eh all the caravan sites are good and I've stayed on them nearly all

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no eh no they've not seen it no they've not seen it

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

what would you say

Speaker 2:

no they hadn't seen it no

Speaker 1:

they hadn't seen it

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

ehm it's far too long this

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

how's your wife and family then

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

mm eh Joe can't come tomorrow being as he's working late

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no eh what is it he does for a living

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

eh he wants his wages paid straight away

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

ehm just light the fire on will you

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

sorry did you say yes or no

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no you don't say light it on ehm (pause) I'll clout yous both in a minute

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

yeah how much have they offered we

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

yeah pass us one of them spanners

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) I've broke a plate

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

mm right I come this morning but you weren't in

Speaker 2:

mm no

Speaker 1:

no n (pause) he done it all right

Speaker 2:

no (pause) no

Speaker 1:

I had forgetten to buy the onions

Speaker 2:

no not really

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

eh he give us a pound for doing it

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

yeah eh we had went to the coast for a day

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

I seen Albert on Tuesday

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

I'm not going to stand being tret like that

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 2:

busy house (unclear) (laughter)

Speaker 3:

(unclear)

Speaker 1:

(unclear) that's what happens when you be naughty

Speaker 2:

no this boy'll enjoy this part

Speaker 1:

(laughter) eh I'll probably see him (unclear) Saturday

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

eh eh I doubt he'll have to stay in hospital for a long time

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

mm eh you've letten him get away

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 1:

eh my mother's keep coming in to see us

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

mm mm we'll sharp get this done

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 1:

aye eh he's as Tyneside as what I am

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 4:

hello (NAME) you all right

Speaker 2:

champion

Speaker 1:

eh (pause) eh (pause) yous used to sweep the floor and us used to wash the dishes

Speaker 2:

no

Speaker 3:

(unclear) interrupt just a second think (NAME)'s got (unclear)

Speaker 2:

(unclear)

Speaker 4:

(unclear)

Speaker 2:

you're not getting him on tape are you (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 1:

(laughter) we we've not to be (unclear) (unclear) (laughter)

Speaker 2:

(unclear)

Speaker 1:

do you think you could eh (pause) just give us the opposite of eh these sentences here ehm (pause) the opposite of I'll be going there this week

Speaker 2:

eh (laughter) just a second I'm not not quite with you here you know

Speaker 1:

eh well say the negative of it or eh like I'll be going there this week I'll not be going there this week or something right

Speaker 2:

oh I see right (unclear)

Speaker 1:

right eh the opposite of he's got some

Speaker 2:

he hasn't any

Speaker 1:

ta eh the opposite of he's seen that picture

Speaker 2:

he hasn't seen that picture

Speaker 1:

ta eh (pause) the opposite of you're working late tonight

Speaker 2:

you're soon finished tonight

Speaker 1:

yes ta eh the opposite of I gave him one

Speaker 2:

I gave him none

Speaker 1:

yeah ehm suppose you went up to somebody in the street to ask for a match what do you say

Speaker 2:

eh have you got a light please

Speaker 1:

ta eh (pause) and could you just eh finish off this sentence in a way that seems natural eh I couldn't get it done yesterday but I'll do it

Speaker 2:

tomorrow

Speaker 1:

ta that's that's the lot

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