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Speaker 1:

interviewerPVC05

Speaker 2:

informantPVC05a

Age Group:

61-70

Gender:

Male

Residence:

Tyneside - Newcastle

Education:

Left school at 14

Occupation:

Bus Driver (unemployed)

Speaker 3:

informantPVC05b

Age Group:

61-70

Gender:

Female

Residence:

Tyneside - Newcastle

Education:

Left school at 15

Occupation:

Shop Assistant

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  Interview Transcript

Speaker 3:

went for a cup of tea and that because I mean you didn't drink in them days (pause) and eh (pause) then we realized that he didn't even have a film (pause) in the camera this was a way of chatting you up (laughter) wasn't it

Speaker 2:

(laughter) it was yes

Speaker 3:

he's been a thingy photographer ever since haven't you

Speaker 2:

I have

Speaker 3:

a funny photographer

Speaker 2:

(unclear) tells (interruption) me that

Speaker 3:

he takes you in funny places funny ways which you didn't want to be taken he knows he's got a reputation for that (pause) so well you start your end where (pause) you were brought up and (pause) we were both brought up in the same area actually but we didn't know each other (pause) (interruption) did we

Speaker 2:

no not exactly in the same area well we were eh

Speaker 3:

of course we were (interruption) both in the same (interruption)

Speaker 2:

(interruption) eh later on in eh (interruption) in the years that followed

Speaker 3:

both in the (interruption) same street (interruption)

Speaker 2:

(interruption) but ehm I was brought (interruption) I was actually born in eh (pause) down by the quayside

Speaker 3:

mm (pause) (interruption) were you not born in any hospital (interruption)

Speaker 2:

(interruption) that's where I (interruption) yes yes

Speaker 3:

well you never (interruption) telt us that

Speaker 2:

in Jubilee Street Jubilee Road

Speaker 3:

Jubilee Road were you born in the Princess Mary (interruption) as well

Speaker 2:

in the Princess Mary yes

Speaker 3:

well there you are I didn't even know that

Speaker 2:

aye yes

Speaker 3:

I was born there as well

Speaker 2:

I was born in there and eh (pause) we lived down in eh (pause) down the right by the quayside and then we just moved around from there I forget how many houses we actually lived in (laughter)

Speaker 3:

aye your mother was a bit of a wanderer you would come home from school and somebody would say 'oh your your mother's shifted' (laughter) (interruption) hadn't she

Speaker 2:

(laughter) you know she was a bit like a Romany actually (laughter) oh she was (laughter)

Speaker 3:

aye but she's still alive she's eh eighty seven this year

Speaker 2:

yes eighty seven this year

Speaker 3:

aye

Speaker 2:

and eh (pause) as I say we just moved from house to house (pause) and then eh (pause) then when I went in the army she actually moved again after that (laughter) from one from the house that she was in

Speaker 3:

aye but she would have moved a few times while you were evacuated you've got to tell her about while you were evacuated

Speaker 2:

oh yes well as I say and ehm (pause) I first went to eh Morpeth can't remember exactly what year it was and then eh (pause) her husband was in the army (pause) eh but we didn't stay there that long there because I think she (pause) just (pause) couldn't take she didn't have any children of her own (pause) and eh (pause) I think she couldn't handle

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

two strange children (laughter) under her own roof (unclear) style eh we came back home and eh (pause) that's my sister and myself the youngest eh the younger sister at that time (pause) and then eh we got evacuated to Stannington which wasn't too far away again (laughter) eh she was a very old lady and then she couldn't hack it either and then eh we came back home and then eh (pause) the next thing I knew we were going up to Cumberland Keswick eh (pause) spent nearly four years there altogether and I think I was the last evacuee to leave Keswick

Speaker 3:

but you didn't want to leave did you

Speaker 2:

no no I would have stopped up there all the time if I could have and eh

Speaker 3:

the lady who had him just died (pause) last year

Speaker 1:

oh

Speaker 3:

we kept in touch didn't we

Speaker 2:

oh yes

Speaker 3:

well (interruption) he lost touch (pause) never went until about twenty five weren't you (interruption)

Speaker 2:

well I lost touch I didn't go back for quite a while (interruption) and then until we were

Speaker 3:

oh you must have been older than twenty five

Speaker 2:

I was older than twenty five

Speaker 3:

because we had the two girls

Speaker 2:

because we had the two girls (interruption) by then

Speaker 3:

and he went on a trip from work up to Cumberland and he thought he would look for them didn't you

Speaker 2:

yes aye

Speaker 3:

and he found her

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

and she was delighted

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 3:

and we kept the relationship going right (interruption) until last year well we still keep in touch with her daughter

Speaker 2:

oh aye

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

because he didn't realize that she'd had a daughter after he had left

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

you see when he'd gone to the house this girl had come to the door and (pause) well she hadn't a clue who he was and he didn't have a clue (laughter) who she was but as soon as he said who he was they were delighted weren't they

Speaker 2:

oh yes yes

Speaker 3:

he called her (interruption) aunt (NAME)

Speaker 2:

they were over the moon

Speaker 3:

and uncle (NAME) didn't you

Speaker 2:

yes I did

Speaker 3:

but you used to have to look after the kids there didn't you

Speaker 2:

I did the only the young lad at the time their only son they had I used to have to look after him that was one of my jobs eh I even got a job up there while I was there on a Saturday job

Speaker 3:

yeah

Speaker 2:

you know sometimes at night when we'd work for the grocery (pause) store that I used to work for (pause) delivering the groceries to the hotels and different (pause) houses and eh then I worked for a (pause) gardener who used to (interruption) have a stall in the market place in Keswick I worked for him for quite a while when I was a lad (pause) eh it was a happy time up at Keswick for me eh after being a townie sort of style you know and eh (pause) the uncle my uncle as I called I always called him uncle eh him and his brother eh (pause) brother used to take me for walks every on a Sunday especially eh (pause) and we used to walk all around eh Keswick (interruption)

Speaker 3:

(interruption) a market gardener (interruption) the fells

Speaker 2:

the fells and etcetera

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

round Borrowdale and everywhere

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

eh until he went in the army and then that put a stop to that

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

and eh (pause) as I say I spent nearly four years there altogether (pause) and then I went back to Newcastle eh during that time eh at Keswick I only came home twice

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

I did eh by myself eh but there was always somebody on the bus who would look after you

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

and eh (pause) I can still remember it as plain as I as I can you know as anything and eh (pause) as I say they were very happy times for me up at Keswick eh

Speaker 3:

oh she was a lovely woman

Speaker 2:

she was (interruption) yes

Speaker 3:

she was really nice wasn't she

Speaker 2:

yes yes

Speaker 3:

eh typical country (pause) you know she was plump and she was really nice aunt (NAME) I think he's he's well he thought a great deal of her actually he was upset you know when she died

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

last June

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

and then you went in the army after that well

Speaker 2:

well eh (unclear)

Speaker 3:

between (unclear) (laughter)

Speaker 2:

yes I went in the army eh well the very first job I had was eh (pause) in a fish shop I used to deliver the fish to the hotels you know and then eh I became a (pause) well a counter hand as you would say nowadays

Speaker 3:

fishmonger

Speaker 2:

a fishmonger

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 2:

eh doing all the filleting of (interruption) the fish

Speaker 3:

actually that was just at Oxford Street wasn't it you know in Newcastle where ehm

Speaker 2:

New Bridge Street

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

aye where the where the library is (interruption) used to be a fresh fish shop there Mole's it was (pause) beautiful shop like wasn't it

Speaker 1:

(unclear)

Speaker 2:

oh yes yes

Speaker 3:

uh-huh

Speaker 2:

as fish shops went during those days and eh

Speaker 3:

(unclear)

Speaker 2:

I was there from when I was fourteen until I went in the army (pause) and eh of course in those days it was only eighteen months but (pause) when I was six months off my time there they decided to stretch it to two years (laughter)

Speaker 1:

oh

Speaker 2:

well I was in eh Egypt at the time at the at that time so I wasn't really bothered you know

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 2:

eh it was really enjoyable out there

Speaker 1:

this was on National Service

Speaker 2:

that was in eh when I was in National Service yes yes

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

eh I tried to sign on for another year but they wouldn't have it so I said 'oh well'

Speaker 3:

they wouldn't have it because they wanted three year (interruption) and you weren't prepared to commit yourself to that (interruption)

Speaker 2:

(interruption) (unclear) you know (pause) I wasn't prepared stopping (interruption) for another three years (laughter)

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

yes so (unclear)

Speaker 1:

what did you think of that time then

Speaker 2:

eh

Speaker 1:

doing National Service

Speaker 2:

National Service I thoroughly enjoyed it I did yes eh (pause) started at eh doing my first basic training at eh Aldershot eh after a fortnight we went down to Portsmouth and then eh done nearly (pause) twelve weeks or more there and then we were posted to our (pause) respective eh

Speaker 3:

camps

Speaker 2:

camps you know

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

eh it was an army eh an ammunition dump actually it was where I went to (unclear) and eh down besides Shrewsbury (pause) eh (pause) I think it was eh (pause) Averbury or something like that I I can't remember exactly the name of it now but eh I wasn't there long and then eh a friend well he was my friend there for quite a while because eh we met at Aldershot and we more or less stuck together at eh (pause) Portsmouth you know we both managed to get eh posted to the same camp after that you know

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 2:

so we had some eh good times together and then eh we were put in for to go abroad and eh we got posted abroad but unfortunately we got sent to different places (laughter) he went to Kenya and I went to eh Egypt Port Said

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 2:

so

Speaker 3:

but I mean the point (interruption) is it was good for you wasn't it (interruption)

Speaker 2:

(interruption) spent nearly eighteen months in Egypt (interruption) oh yes yes I think eh

Speaker 3:

and I mean if they had it these days (pause) I think it would give a bit more ehm discipline

Speaker 2:

well it wouldn't make

Speaker 3:

to the kids

Speaker 2:

oh yes yes

Speaker 3:

you know although then again the army wouldn't take them now because I mean you have to have O levels

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 3:

you know

Speaker 2:

yes they're a bit eh (laughter) fussy who they take now (laughter)

Speaker 3:

aye they are

Speaker 2:

they just took anybody in those days you know

Speaker 3:

no but I mean it was a good thing though wasn't it I mean (interruption) and you

Speaker 2:

mm oh it was a good thing yes

Speaker 3:

you saw life that you mightn't have saw

Speaker 2:

it was surprising I mean eh the number of people who were really backward in those days and they just eh you know they were in the (pause) same camp as me at the time or in the same basic training area

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

and then but then again they were transferred you know I mean they after you'd done the tests etcetera

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

they were always put into the Pioneer Corps do you know what the Pioneer Corps was

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 2:

well they were the ones who dug all the

Speaker 1:

ah

Speaker 2:

trenches and done the more or less the dirty work in those days you know

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

oh well long before then because I mean (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 3:

I think that still happens in these days

Speaker 2:

I don't know if there's a Pioneer Corps now as such

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 2:

you know and eh

Speaker 3:

oh I don't think so not in the army I don't know

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

but I mean in the in this day and age I mean I mean anybody who's (pause) a little bit retarded (interruption) they give them all the menial jobs because we get them in our (pause) firm we had a one (pause) ehm (pause) she just left a fortnight ago didn't she I told you she was like (interruption)

Speaker 2:

(interruption) yeah (pause) oh yes (interruption) oh yes

Speaker 3:

on a ten weeks course this (NAME) she was twenty seven ehm a young twenty seven like ehm (pause) and she was sent to our firm and I mean she was working from nine in the morning (pause) ehm (pause) until five at night eh just four days but (pause) for that she only got ten pound off the government on top of her dole

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

you know she was doing all them hours

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

and she was doing the same as us

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 3:

but more menial

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

uh-huh

Speaker 3:

you know they tend to give them that kind of thing and and it's not right

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 3:

mind this girl she wasn't I I shouldn't say this it but it's a term I use she wasn't daft because she used to say 'well I think it's time for my break' (laughter) things like this do you know what I mean where if you had started a job you'd be tending to wait until they said 'well you go and get your break' (laughter) but she didn't no no

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 3:

she didn't ehm (pause) but they do that they do they just use them I think

Speaker 2:

well they it wasn't that they (pause) well those that they sent to Pioneer Corps they weren't (pause) backward eh as (interruption) as such you know (unclear) nothing mentally they just didn't get the ehm

Speaker 3:

(interruption) they were illiterate

Speaker 2:

illiterate (interruption) as as such you know they hadn't had their education or anything you know I mean it's surprising how many didn't in those days and I certainly imagine that there's quite a few now when you read the papers

Speaker 3:

hadn't had an education (pause) mm

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

you know they get on about how many people can't read

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

mm

Speaker 2:

you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

and (interruption) you

Speaker 3:

well it's amazing in this day and age (interruption) isn't it

Speaker 2:

it was worse in those days than it is now but it's still (interruption) surprising how many (pause) can't read even now

Speaker 3:

well I mean a lot of kids (pause) they won't send to school

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

aye

Speaker 2:

you know not that they're going in later life like going to eh going to be taught how to

Speaker 1:

that's right

Speaker 2:

read

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 2:

do you know what I mean

Speaker 3:

well I mean let's face it I mean during the war I mean you really lost a lot of schooling because I wasn't evacuated

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 3:

like I told you on my phone on the phone my mother used to say 'well if I'm ganning to die you're ganning with us' (laughter) because there was only me and her you see my dad was in the army and he went to ehm (pause) he was in the Burma campaign so there was like her and I were on wor own for about three and a half year you know and ehm (pause) she said no way was I ganning to be evacuated like so I mean (pause) we saw it all you know I mean ehm you'd get into bed and (pause) the sirens would go and up you would get and (pause) and they had well that's how they got the name siren suits which was a they used to make them out of coats and everything and what what the suit consisted of was well just like what they call the ski suits now only it wasn't as (pause) (interruption) expensive stuff you know you just put your feet in your legs in put your like a it was all in one and then the zip was up and you had this hood like a pixie hat effect and that was zipped up that so that you could get into these quick and up to the shelter

Speaker 2:

(unclear) (pause) (unclear) zip

Speaker 1:

mm (pause) oh

Speaker 3:

and that's how they called them siren suits and where I lived was in Shieldfield and your shelter I mean when I think about it now it was a a death trap it was Dampney's Paintworks which is British Paints now and it was a big building and there was about oh six floors now on each floor there was not just c tins of paint there was drums of paint and

Speaker 2:

mm basic materials you know (pause) (unclear)

Speaker 3:

varnish and everything was just up (pause) on these floors now the shelter you went down into the basement that was the shelter well that's where we used to go but I mean say Dampney's was like (pause) where that tree is there (pause) eh and the street was that where that row of houses is there now we went in this night and it was a bad (pause) it was a bad raid you know and you were running and the guns were going and the shrapnel was gannin all over and you were running (pause) up and got in and we'd only been in well we must have just got down the stairs and there was a why a terrific bang you oh God keep talking (unclear)

Speaker 2:

you'll not stop it

Speaker 1:

(unclear) carry on

Speaker 2:

well as I say I didn't have much to do with eh air raids I was the only air raid I was really in where they dropped bombs on Newcastle was the first bombs that actually did drop in Newcastle at eh (pause) Spiller's

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

eh (pause) I believe at the time they were going for the Tyne bridge and eh (pause) they hit Spiller's which was close by there

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 2:

and eh at the time I was up eh beside Shieldfield Park and there was a big eh underground shelter there but you know we were told once the air raid sirens go come back to the air raid shelter where you're supposed to go to (laughter) you know I mean (unclear) your family at that time

Speaker 3:

it's a friend of mine who was brought up in Newcastle

Speaker 1:

oh

Speaker 3:

and I told her that you want another lady

Speaker 1:

oh

Speaker 3:

so she said she'll come down in forty five minutes to give us time to finish this and

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

you could do her here if you like

Speaker 1:

oh right

Speaker 3:

aye so it'll (laughter) because she's

Speaker 2:

(unclear)

Speaker 3:

knows a lot doesn't she (NAME)

Speaker 2:

oh (NAME) yes

Speaker 3:

and she can (pause) talk

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

eh so like I was saying about the (pause) the (interruption) raid and there was this terrific bang and the lights just went out and the water was pouring in I mean we were all kids and you couldn't find your mother it was it was terrifying and then the wardens came and said it was all clear and we could come up and when we come up now that street just wasn't there it was just completely gone

Speaker 2:

raid

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

and you I mean I was I would be about (pause) ehm (pause) well the war started in thirty nine so I was seven

Speaker 2:

there was only the pub on the corner there

Speaker 3:

aye aye I'd be about ten then but it's vivid in your mind that

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

and eh (pause) oh (laughter) it it's funny how the things that you remember because I mean we came up and we looked and (pause) took it in I mean all the mothers you know you could imagine my God you know and (pause) some people had went in the shelter but some people hadn't bothered because people didn't they used to gan under the stairs and think that was

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

enough well I mean they were completely wiped out but there used to be a cake shop there oh it was a lovely cake shop she used to do all her own things but why we used to like to go in was funny she had this cat I mean the cat used to sit on the counter which wouldn't be (laughter) allowed now you know I mean they talk about hygiene you know but this cat had two different coloured eyes and the kids used to go in just to look at this cat and we that was the first thing you thought of 'oh the cat' you know you didn't think about the people

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 3:

it was this cat had gone but oh there was some awful things and then there was another street we came up another street had gone and people had these (pause) ehm steel shelters they used to have in the house and it it was a a great big square thing it was like a cage actually because it was all wired around and a steel top and they used to put tablecloths on because you couldn't shift it in and out because it was so heavy and that was when Sarah Street was hit

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 3:

and when we came around these shelters had been blown into the street I mean the people were all right but I mean you could imagine how shocked they were

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

there oh there were some awful because where I lived I lived in ehm (pause) Bermonsey Street and and they bombed right the way round because they went for the railway (pause) they went for Dampney's that night fortunately for us they missed it eh I mean they'd already hit the goods station I mean that burnt for three days but and you know us it was that area that they wanted

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

and eh (pause) but I like I say we were talking about school and we used to say used to say what why we didn't know anybody I divn't think anybody had watches in them days you couldn't afford them but if somebody always knew the time

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

now if the air raid went on until after twelve (pause) you didn't have to go to school of the morning you didn't go to school until twelve o'clock

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

so we used to think oh is it after twelve (laughter) is it after twelve so you didn't have to go to school the next morning but I mean let's face it I mean if you're down there you know until one o'clock in the morning then coming up to get ready for school for nine o'clock the next morning it was a bit

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

traumatic like and I mean eh (pause) but like I say there was just me and my mother and ehm (pause) I mean we had some good times because it was just us two but I mean there was some hard times I mean the rationing you know I mean

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

what you used to get then I mean I can remember I think some well some people older than me'll say 'oh I'm going for my rations' and this is where it stems from because you went on a Monday with your ration book and you got what you were supposed to get was with I think it was about (pause) a quarter of butter

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

ehm about a pound of sugar and a quarter of tea and (pause) I think we got four ounces of bacon two eggs (pause) ehm (pause) that kind of thing you know you got that on a Monday

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

and if it didn't last until the Friday (laughter) well it was tough you know what I mean and as regards your tea and that because if your tea run out well it was camp coffee you know I can not drink camp coffee to this day

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

because I remember that so vividly and I mean somebody used to come down and say 'oh they've got oranges in' so we had to run up to the (pause) well it was the Co op stores was at the top of our street and stand and they stamped your book and you maybe got two oranges oh and if the bananas were it (laughter) I've seen we stand and you get two bananas after standing for an hour you know

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

the kids don't realize what you didn't get

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 3:

and I mean the sweets were rationed so you you had coupons for them and it was a E for a quarter of sweets and if you had a D it was two ounces of sweets so what we used to do when we used to gan the pictures was ehm (pause) cocoa powder you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 3:

and mix it with sugar and that was your sweets for the pictures you know sitting there like this

Speaker 2:

I know

Speaker 3:

I mean you'd come with (laughter) (unclear) like that or ehm

Speaker 2:

ovaltine (interruption) tablets

Speaker 3:

ovaltine tablets

Speaker 2:

(unclear)

Speaker 3:

and ehm

Speaker 2:

which you (interruption) didn't need eh

Speaker 3:

what was the other one sulphur tablets because we (interruption) we all must have had lovely skins (laughter) because you'd (laughter) eat sulphur tablets (laughter) for sweets (laughter)

Speaker 2:

yes (pause) (unclear)

Speaker 1:

oh

Speaker 3:

so that was your sweets like if your sweet ration run out like you know so well you would remember all that

Speaker 2:

oh yes yes

Speaker 3:

(unclear) had a ration although auntie (NAME) would have the ration book (interruption) in Keswick you know

Speaker 2:

oh (unclear) yes she did yes

Speaker 3:

but eh

Speaker 2:

that's when I worked for the (pause) when I started working for the grocery store there ehm

Speaker 3:

you got a bit more

Speaker 2:

we got a little bit more (laughter)

Speaker 3:

(laughter) aye aye but eh

Speaker 2:

I mean it was the going thing then you know I mean if you worked for somebody well (pause) you got the benefit of it

Speaker 3:

aye well that's (interruption) that's

Speaker 2:

the butcher's eh etcetera eh they won't thems that work in the grocery shop

Speaker 3:

aye well we were (interruption) we were

Speaker 2:

weren't penalized as (laughter) for pension eh that

Speaker 3:

ration

Speaker 2:

ration card was concerned

Speaker 3:

aye well my mother knew somebody who was in like the meat trade so we never went short of meat

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 3:

you know you could get well it was stewing steak and you got your joint and things like that you know I could never remember we being (pause) short of (interruption) meat but butter and (pause) oh

Speaker 2:

short of meat (pause) (unclear)

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

biscuits and I well I loved biscuits ehm (pause) and then we well the war was over and (pause) I remember my dad coming home I was coming from school (pause) and went in the house and seen the kit bag there and you knew he was home then you know it were it was funny though but I mean (pause) I mean they weren't houses like these I mean if you'd had houses like these eeh I mean what did we move into (laughter) (interruption) when we were married

Speaker 2:

(unclear) (pause) two rooms

Speaker 3:

aye well you couldn't call it two rooms really could you

Speaker 2:

well it was two rooms

Speaker 3:

aye you

Speaker 2:

(unclear)

Speaker 3:

you would have got it in here

Speaker 2:

oh yes (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 3:

in this room

Speaker 2:

oh yes yes

Speaker 3:

aye but we thought it was great didn't we

Speaker 2:

we did yes

Speaker 3:

eeh and whoever had had it before he must have had a gallon of dark brown paint (laughter)

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 3:

because everything (laughter) was brown (interruption) paint (laughter)

Speaker 2:

remember in those days it was either brown paint or green paint oh and sometimes cream paint

Speaker 3:

aye

Speaker 2:

but it was mostly green and brown

Speaker 1:

yes depressing

Speaker 2:

everything

Speaker 3:

it was

Speaker 2:

was brown or green

Speaker 3:

I mean (interruption) the house that

Speaker 1:

where was it

Speaker 2:

that was in Shieldfield

Speaker 1:

Shieldfield

Speaker 3:

that was in Bermonsey Street (interruption) where I had lived

Speaker 2:

that was Bermonsey Street where (NAME) had lived

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

aye

Speaker 2:

and actually it was my auntie who had eh lived there but she moved out and she got a different different house and eh she put our name forward for (laughter) this

Speaker 3:

why (unclear)

Speaker 2:

well I'm saying house it was just the two rooms eh it had the (pause) we were in the front and at the back it was just one big room which (pause) again would just be about eh

Speaker 3:

that's where (NAME) and eh (pause) (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 2:

seventeen seventeen feet square

Speaker 3:

aye

Speaker 2:

and they had to (pause) live and sleep in that one room you know

Speaker 3:

they had a little girl didn't they (NAME)

Speaker 2:

yes yes yes they (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 3:

I mean we had no family like

Speaker 2:

no not as early as that we didn't

Speaker 3:

no well I mean we were married how long we married when we were twenty one well I was twenty one when we married ehm and our (NAME) wasn't born (pause) until I was twenty three but eh I mean we met and (pause) got engaged and married within nine month

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 3:

didn't we

Speaker 2:

yes yes

Speaker 3:

aye I met him in the February and we started going out in the March (pause) we were engaged in the July on my twenty first and we were married on November twenty eighth

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

and everybody was saying 'oh marry in haste repent at leisure blah blah' but eh (unclear)

Speaker 2:

but we're still together after forty years

Speaker 3:

(laughter) I divn't know how like (laughter) it hasn't been that bad has it really

Speaker 2:

no no

Speaker 3:

no

Speaker 2:

I mean we've had a (pause) lovely family and

Speaker 3:

aye got two daughters (interruption) and four grandchildren

Speaker 2:

we've two daughters

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

and eh but we've had our ups and downs you know haven't we though because I mean

Speaker 2:

oh yes we had

Speaker 3:

I mean he went to work for the United didn't you

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 3:

and eh the wages were seven pound a week

Speaker 2:

at that time

Speaker 3:

aye but I mean that was the wage

Speaker 2:

oh yes (interruption) yes

Speaker 3:

and I mean wor rent (pause) in them two rooms was eight shilling which is equivalent to forty pence isn't it

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 3:

ehm (pause) and then when we came up here it was like slum clearance and the rent went to twenty eight shilling and we're thinking mm well how the hell we're (laughter) ganning to get twenty eight shilling you know when you've been (interruption) used to paying eight shilling but we managed didn't we

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

oh yes yes

Speaker 3:

and (interruption) when I were

Speaker 2:

there was hundreds like us at the time

Speaker 3:

oh aye

Speaker 2:

moving up to a new

Speaker 3:

but you know we were happy

Speaker 2:

area like this (interruption) you know

Speaker 3:

because everybody was the same you know (interruption) nobody (pause) had nothing and they would help you then you know I mean if somebody baked (pause) they would say 'oh well I've baked ehm (pause) there's a tart for (NAME)'s bait' or something or if I I when I used to bake every Wednesday well I still do ehm (pause) you would say 'there's some scones for the bairns' and things like that people did that you know

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

they'd come in and give you a hand

Speaker 2:

mostly

Speaker 3:

but nowadays they just come in to see what you've got

Speaker 2:

it was neighbourly (interruption) in them days you didn't have to (pause) put big locks on your doors you know and you could leave your doors open and have no fear whatsoever

Speaker 3:

that's been the worst change

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 2:

but eh not like nowadays

Speaker 3:

but I mean you worked how long did you work for the United

Speaker 2:

well thirty seven years altogether

Speaker 3:

aye

Speaker 2:

I did

Speaker 3:

when you left you've got to (pause) keep this conversation going for her your it's your turn now I've talked a lot

Speaker 2:

(laughter)

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

that's nothing unusual (laughter) (pause) mm-hm and as I say I worked for United eh well for thirty one years well thirty three years altogether for United then they got privatized (pause) and eh

Speaker 3:

and they changed to Northumbria

Speaker 2:

(unclear) somewhere they called it Northumbria but after that I worked for them for four years and I left (pause) and eh

Speaker 3:

aye he was sixty then

Speaker 2:

yes mm-hm then I worked for a (pause) electrical contractor after that for a year (pause) eh (pause) I hurt my back and eh (pause) I've been on the sick ever since

Speaker 3:

but because he hurt his back brought to light that he had a an aneurysm (pause) which he didn't know they didn't know how long he'd had it on the main ao you know the aorta

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

they discovered he had a aneurysm it was it's like a bubble

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

it was getting bigger and bigger ehm (pause) so really speaking it was fortunate he'd hurt his back because they wouldn't have seen that and if it bursts well that's it you're finished

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

eh (pause) so he had an operation last September for it

Speaker 1:

oh right

Speaker 3:

ehm (pause) it was dicey like you know and there was three fellows in when he was in wasn't there

Speaker 2:

mm-hm yes (unclear)

Speaker 3:

and they died

Speaker 2:

(unclear)

Speaker 3:

one was prepared for the operation same as him but he died on the table because he'd bleed to death another one they'd drove him up from Dryburn because it had ruptured and he didn't get in time I divn't know what happened to the other one

Speaker 1:

oh (unclear)

Speaker 3:

so I says to him 'well somebody up there (laughter) likes you' because he's not supposed to believe in (pause) anything like this but I think he does really don't you

Speaker 2:

yes I think so

Speaker 3:

(laughter) aye after that

Speaker 1:

so you're fine now

Speaker 2:

oh yes yes

Speaker 1:

clean bill of health now

Speaker 2:

clean bill of health yes apart from the arthritis and my spondylitis in the neck (laughter)

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

but I mean eh (pause) but I think it life now is all take no giving I think that's what the problem is you know ehm (pause) it's definitely a different way of life (pause) now I mean (pause) (laughter) it's like what you've got that counts or it seems to be like that I mean it's I mean I know it's not important what you've got eh but for a lot of people it is you know where as in the old days when the war was on and that the war to me brought people closer together

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

you know and I mean plus the fact I mean (pause) I mean I can remember my mother had friends whose husbands were like in the navy and that you know and the ship would go down and you can remember things like that you know

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

how upset they were and things like that ehm (pause) I mean my dad was like I say he was in the Burma campaign and he was in what they called the Forgotten Army the Fourteenth Army in Kohima he got a (pause) scr scroll and everything for it didn't he

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

and eh (pause) well my mother was a bit psychic you know she was really funny and eh we used to have a photograph on the wall of him and this night there was her and me sitting I mean there was no tellies or nowt I mean (pause) no electricity and eh we she was listening to the wireless and this night we were sitting (pause) and she must have been sitting looking at the photo and she said 'oh my God' I said well I was frightened when she used to that and I'd say 'what's the matter' 'oh there's something just went down your father's neck' and I oh I says 'howay man' (laughter) you know (laughter) and eh she said 'there is there's something happened to him' she says 'and it's his neck' I said 'oh get away man' and anyway about oh (pause) I think it was about four days later we got a (pause) ehm (pause) telegram from the War Office to say he'd been injured you know and the date was that day you know it had happened and sure enough it was his neck

Speaker 1:

(unclear)

Speaker 3:

but he had got shrapnel in his neck and she knew that but she was funny like that wasn't she (interruption) my mother

Speaker 2:

oh she was (interruption) yes

Speaker 3:

eeh aye I mean he used to get on great with her didn't you

Speaker 2:

I did yes

Speaker 3:

you know she was canny

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

but eh (pause) you know it's just things like that like I say I mean (pause) when we got married ehm (pause) and we had these two rooms I mean like I say there was no electricity it was just gas mantles (pause) you shared a sink (pause) on the landing just a cold water sink mind and you went downstairs into the backyard and there was four families shared the toilet I mean you can imagine that ehm (pause) and in the winter the pipes used to freeze didn't they

Speaker 2:

oh yes yes

Speaker 3:

and then the when the little bit heat come they used to burst (laughter) you were up to here with water (laughter) oh it was terrible wasn't it

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 3:

but you just it was part of life you know and we thought well we thought we were great

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 3:

because like I say I mean the two rooms we got I mean he decorated them lovely didn't you

Speaker 2:

I did

Speaker 3:

and put the

Speaker 2:

(unclear)

Speaker 3:

modern fireplace in which consisted of a tiled hearth

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

asbestos at the back which I mean is lethal now but it was asbestos at the back wasn't it

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 3:

and then put the surrounds around it we though it was lovely didn't we

Speaker 2:

we did

Speaker 3:

aye but when he papered the walls there was no corners like this (laughter) you know the walls had been papered that many times it was just round

Speaker 1:

was it

Speaker 2:

(laughter)

Speaker 3:

and when the kids came on the scene if you didn't watch them you know (laughter) they would poke their fingers in the thing

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 3:

didn't they ehm (pause) oh aye and we used to gan I used to have to go to the wash house because in like I say you had no facilities at all ehm (pause) I remember the first time we went there eeh I thought it was dreadful eeh God a great big place and all these sinks and (pause) you had these little poss sticks and have you heard of poss sticks

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

have you

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

eh

Speaker 2:

a scrubbing board

Speaker 3:

(laughter) well you didn't have a scrubbing board you had a scrubbing brush and these

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

things were in front of you they just looked like fish shop fryers and you used to scrub everything and chuck them into boil you know that was the way (interruption) you had to wash and then they had these big clothes horses you used to pull out of the wall which were heated you'd dry your clothes on that like you know but you had to be careful somebody didn't (pause) pinch your things when (laughter) you weren't looking (laughter) you know well I mean I was only (pause) twenty three (pause) when I had our (NAME) you can imagine how I felt I oh God aye now when you think eeh when I think automatic washers and a big house and garden (pause) it would have been lovely

Speaker 1:

mm (pause) yeah

Speaker 2:

(unclear) you didn't only go to the communal eh washing up place you used to have to go to the communal baths as well you know

Speaker 1:

oh yes

Speaker 2:

wey you had no facilities you know

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 3:

to get a bath no you didn't

Speaker 2:

to get a bath you had to go there to get a bath every night

Speaker 1:

that was the one in the city

Speaker 2:

eh Gibson Street eh or New Bridge Street

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

it was on the (interruption) corner of Gibson Street and it's still there next to eh (pause) Saint Dominic's church

Speaker 3:

it's still there that building (pause) it's still there

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 2:

eh it's just I don't know what they use it for now I don't know if the swimming baths are still there or whatever

Speaker 3:

I think it is

Speaker 2:

is it oh

Speaker 3:

aye it was a swimming baths and a (pause) hot water baths and the wash house what they call the wash house you know and (pause) I mean I suppose we were lucky because we lived beside it really (pause) just had to more or less come down the street and then across the main road but I mean some people walked for miles you know you used to get an old pram and put the basket of washing on

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

and push it there and just hope somebody didn't pinch your pram

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

while you were in and that's true

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

I mean when I tell our lasses now (pause) 'oh mother that was the olden days' I says 'aye well you should have had some of it'

Speaker 1:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

(laughter)

Speaker 3:

you know and you hear the (pause) but I mean (pause) well we couldn't gan out drinking I mean we didn't have the money but I mean you didn't did you

Speaker 2:

as such no no

Speaker 3:

no

Speaker 2:

once a week

Speaker 3:

I used to go and play darts I used to go to the pictures with my auntie (NAME)

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

of course one had to stop in with the bairns like you know but I mean we had two little bairns in them two rooms (pause) because I mean when we got the well we got a flat up here first ehm (pause) (NAME) was eleven month aye

Speaker 2:

I mean when we moved up here yes (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 3:

(NAME) was two and a half

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 3:

no she was three and a half ehm (pause) eeh well we thought it was brilliant didn't we

Speaker 2:

we did

Speaker 3:

eeh the electric lights

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 3:

eeh eeh remember when we moved in the flat and we

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 3:

well we would have with just having two rooms we didn't have a lot of furniture because you couldn't put a lot of furniture in so we had like a a bed settee you know

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

and eh until we got some (pause) bedroom furniture like you know and remember that night when we first went in and we went (pause) to bed we put the bed down and that and (pause) bairns were in bed and you automatically went to put pull the chain for the mantle (unclear) (laughter) forgot we had electricity we just

Speaker 2:

it took some getting used to you know

Speaker 3:

aye

Speaker 1:

(unclear)

Speaker 2:

going from the gas lamp to the electricity you know

Speaker 3:

mm

Speaker 2:

you automatically went you even picked the matches up

Speaker 3:

aye

Speaker 2:

off the mantelpiece to light (laughter) the light (laughter) but

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

you know 'we've got switches now' (laughter)

Speaker 3:

oh it was funny it was good though and then well they give us the flat because we had two girls well just the year before we moved up here my mother died eh so my dad was like on his own he said he was all right didn't he

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 3:

but he wasn't I mean he lived for a year on his own but he was (pause) he well he would have drank his self to his death to death to be quite honest because I mean he was coming in from work (pause) getting something to eat and going straight to the bar you know so we said we would take him and we got this house

Speaker 1:

uh-huh

Speaker 3:

and we've been here ever since because I mean my mother's been dead (pause) I was twenty six when she died

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

so they our (NAME) was only eleven month (pause) aye and (NAME) was three and a half

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 3:

ehm (pause) when we moved up here and then he came up and we've been here ever since and he just died (pause) well he lived with we twenty four year before he died

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

been dead ten year this month and she's been dead thirty five year

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

thirty five year mm (pause) but ehm I mean you it was I remember more the laughs really you know you I think you do

Speaker 2:

well you always remember the good times you don't remember the bad think of the bad times you don't

Speaker 3:

but I mean we did have I mean money was really tight wasn't it

Speaker 2:

oh yes (interruption) yes

Speaker 3:

I mean I've seen him (pause) on a Sunday the ice cream man's coming round you know and the bairns have wanted an ice cream not on a Sunday (interruption) on a Thursday

Speaker 2:

no no (pause) on a Thursday

Speaker 3:

ehm (pause) and he's had sixpence for his (pause) bus fare because I mean you had to go from here to Jesmond Road you know for his job

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

and he's give the bairns the sixpence for their ice cream and got up early and walked

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

to Jesmond Road you know so that they could have an ice cream you know (unclear) I mean there was that side of it but I like I say we were happy weren't we

Speaker 2:

oh yes (interruption) yes

Speaker 3:

you know

Speaker 2:

(unclear)

Speaker 3:

I mean I used to knit (pause) and my friend used to make their dresses you know and so that's what you did you know I mean really by some standards I mean we were we were practically well off compared to some who had stacks of kids you know what I mean

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

it must have been dreadful really (pause) but I think eh now (pause) ehm I think the young ones these days get far too much I mean mine included

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

you know I mean what they get for Christmas I mean (pause) well I mean what did you get for Christmas

Speaker 2:

not a lot

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

not a lot

Speaker 3:

well howay then

Speaker 2:

eh an orange an apple eh a banana

Speaker 3:

a banana

Speaker 2:

a tangerine

Speaker 3:

God (interruption) he was worse than me (interruption)

Speaker 2:

(interruption) (unclear) (interruption) and eh a selection box

Speaker 3:

yeah if you were lucky

Speaker 2:

if we were lucky

Speaker 3:

aye because look how many were your family was there though

Speaker 2:

oh there was quite a few there was well that at the time there was only the three of us of course

Speaker 3:

mm

Speaker 2:

just the (interruption) three of us at that time

Speaker 3:

well I was a bit luckier like because I was the only one I can remember the stocking hanging up and the there'd be brand new pennies in the toe (pause) and an orange and an apple and (pause) bits and pieces nuts and things like that

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 3:

ehm (pause) but I would get a doll you know because I remember once ehm (pause) got this doll and I mean (pause) well to everybody else it was beautiful because it was all (unclear) clothes and things like that beautiful doll but the the lass down the street who we used to play with her mother had like a lot of bairns and eh (pause) so hers was just like a cloth doll but the clothes come off you know there was like (interruption) cardigans and dresses and well I thought that was lovely so I swapped my doll for (laughter) hers

Speaker 1:

oh

Speaker 2:

(laughter)

Speaker 3:

my mother wasn't very pleased (laughter) but I thought hers was better than mine because you could take the clothes off

Speaker 1:

yes yes

Speaker 3:

whereas mine's was all like stiff and fancy and that so (interruption) it wasn't you know no good mm (pause) but eh (pause) well like I say I mean things are not the same now I mean there's more money around but (pause) I divn't think there's that much more happiness you know (interruption)

Speaker 1:

(interruption) mm (pause) yeah (interruption) no

Speaker 3:

because I mean well I mean the kids they get computers and (pause) eh

Speaker 2:

(unclear)

Speaker 3:

well they've just got everything I mean they get tellies and things like that I mean (pause) our grandchildren you know I mean they've got computers they've got tellies in their rooms and (pause) all of this and some kids don't know how to play because (pause) they've got everything there for them I think whereas we (pause) well what did you used to play

Speaker 2:

ehm dear me we used to (pause) well ehm (pause) in them days we used to skippy (laughter) if you were the lasses and play football in the street that's all we did or went to the park

Speaker 3:

mm

Speaker 2:

Shieldfield Park we did we spent most of our time in there or roaming around down the Ouseburn (unclear)

Speaker 3:

aye down at what we called the tip it was a tip because they used to tip all (interruption) the ashes we used to play down there for hours (interruption)

Speaker 2:

(interruption) yes that's where you could tip all your ashes (interruption) I mean eh (pause) one time it was just a great big valley (pause) stretching from the Tyne (unclear) eh right up to Jesmond

Speaker 1:

oh

Speaker 2:

and then they actually filled started filling it over they built the culvert first

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

it was like a great big tunnel you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 3:

now that was (interruption) another shelter during the war

Speaker 2:

(unclear) because there were a stream coming right from what they call the Ouseburn actually

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

and eh it starts somewhere over well past Gosforth (pause) and comes down to the Tyne and eh then they just gradually just (pause) filled it in you know until the present day and now it's all level

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

and eh (pause) the Ouseburn shelter as they called it they used as the underground shelter during the war

Speaker 3:

aye it used to stretch (interruption) from Saint Thomas's

Speaker 2:

(unclear) they put all the

Speaker 3:

from Saint Thomas's down

Speaker 2:

bunk beds in etcetera

Speaker 3:

aye

Speaker 2:

you know and

Speaker 3:

it was like a

Speaker 2:

eh and

Speaker 3:

but it was damp we only went in there once it was horrible

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 3:

it was damp and dark oh it was (interruption) awful

Speaker 1:

(interruption) mm (pause) I know

Speaker 3:

but (interruption) you could get you could get through from Saint Thomas's

Speaker 2:

there was no bomb would have penetrated it

Speaker 3:

you could get through from Shieldfield Park

Speaker 2:

no not that one you couldn't

Speaker 3:

what

Speaker 2:

not the Ouseburn

Speaker 3:

no no but I'm saying that one that was in Saint Thomas's

Speaker 2:

oh aye (interruption) yes

Speaker 3:

you could get down there

Speaker 2:

yes yes

Speaker 3:

because I mean eh the night ehm the goods station was bombed we

Speaker 2:

I can't remember what the actual tunnels were used for eh but they were they all finished eh it actually finished up down the quayside

Speaker 3:

mm

Speaker 2:

and as I say there was the three entrances I think (pause) Saint Thomas's eh Shieldfield and Crawhall Road

Speaker 3:

aye that's right

Speaker 2:

there was

Speaker 3:

that's right aye

Speaker 2:

that was the three entrances and eh it was a pretty deep eh shelter you know (interruption) you were quite safe once you got in (laughter) there you there's no problem

Speaker 1:

right

Speaker 3:

you might have got pneumonia (interruption) like but you wouldn't be bombed (laughter)

Speaker 2:

(unclear) (pause) I remember going down it once (unclear)

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

well I mean you wouldn't get in many shelters (pause) because you (interruption) were away

Speaker 2:

I was in Dampney's twice eh (pause) and eh down there that one Shieldfield Shieldfield shelter twice

Speaker 3:

mm

Speaker 2:

when I came home that was all although there was no bombs that actually fell when I came home from Keswick (pause) there wasn't

Speaker 3:

you were lucky

Speaker 2:

no I didn't see them

Speaker 3:

although like I say

Speaker 2:

seen one eh (pause) battle in the sky it were between eh (pause) aeroplanes above Keswick above above Derwent Water

Speaker 3:

mm

Speaker 2:

that happened once (pause) ehm but the only thing that we knew about the war was that they had eh (pause) the army had launches on the (pause) Derwent Water (interruption) at that time they did you know and they had the guns on them that's the only thing we actually saw of the war (laughter) in ehm at Keswick

Speaker 3:

mm (pause) mm

Speaker 3:

well I mean where we lived in Shieldfield well in Bermonsey Street at the bottom beside Dampney's ehm (pause) we had all Italian prisoners of war

Speaker 1:

did you

Speaker 3:

yeah yeah

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

and eh (pause) they they worked in Dampney's paint works like you know but I mean they were dressed in the I can't remember what colour green and they had a big yellow (pause) circle on their back so that you knew you know but I mean we used to talk to them you know and I mean (pause) they seemed canny enough well I mean they would be I mean they're just (pause) ordinary people like we were but they (interruption) were in the war ehm (pause) but they worked there well until the war ended and I think there'd be a few (pause) bairns in eh (laughter) Shieldfield who belonged (laughter) to them

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 1:

is that right

Speaker 3:

well young girls you know because I mean they were handsome lads I mean you know what Italians look like

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 3:

ehm (pause) but eh I can remember ehm (pause) I divn't know whether they got well fed I mean they were well fed compared to

Speaker 2:

compared to our

Speaker 3:

what our men were with the Germans and the Japs like you know but eh you used to feel sorry for them ehm (pause) I think my mother once give me a half pound of margarine (laughter) to give to one of them there (laughter) because my mother was very soft she was ehm (pause) I mean if my father had been home (laughter) she wouldn't have given them because I mean he was (pause) doing his bit over there you know and he hasn't well like he never used to call the Italians but he hated the Japs he said the only good Jap was a dead Jap like you know what I mean he would know like but ehm (pause) no you seen some funny things (pause) ehm (pause) but I mean once the war was over it seemed to (pause) although I mean I'm saying once the war was over I mean the ration books were still on for a long long time (interruption) I mean there was still the bread was still rationed when I first (interruption) first started work

Speaker 1:

(interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 2:

(interruption) oh yes yes sugar and

Speaker 3:

and I was fifteen

Speaker 2:

(interruption) (unclear) was still rationed

Speaker 3:

because I started at ehm (pause) Gregg's not Gregg's the cake shop it was Gregg's gents' outfitters in Percy Street that's where I first started and you got twelve and six a week I hated it

Speaker 1:

the gents' outfitters

Speaker 3:

oh it was horrible they had millions and millions of (pause) you know it used to be all collar attached ehm (pause) the collars were separate you know and they used to have these boxes with collars in and oh that was my job to dust them stupid collar boxes and I worked with these women which I thought was old then I mean because I was (laughter) only fifteen but I mean really they must only have been about thirty five forty but to me they were old you know oh I hated it and I went from there to ehm (pause) where did I go the Iglodine Company which was a factory that made iglodine and had some laughs in there and then I went to ehm (pause) Norbridge shoe factory they were run by Jews under the (pause) eh (pause) where the Central Station is

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

there's a arch under there

Speaker 1:

right

Speaker 3:

there was a shoe factory under there went there that was a good laugh I was there four year ehm (pause) and from there to metal box company

Speaker 2:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

and that was when I met you weren't it

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 3:

and we got (pause) together and got married and that and I worked until our (NAME) until I was six month pregnant with our (NAME) (pause) and then eh left like but I went back to work when (NAME) was about two well it was a case of needs must you know just part time like and I've been working ever since

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

so that's (pause) she's thirty six

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 3:

next month so that's thirty four year

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

I've been working I don't mind going to work mind

Speaker 1:

right

Speaker 3:

I don't

Speaker 2:

uh-huh

Speaker 3:

I think it keeps your (pause) your fingers on the button sort of thing you know

Speaker 1:

yeah it keeps you in touch

Speaker 3:

oh it does you know (pause) so (NAME)

Speaker 2:

well the way things is worked out (laughter) I think we would get on top of each other if we both were in the house altogether (laughter)

Speaker 3:

(interruption) well

Speaker 2:

I get on with it in here (pause) just say 'get out of my kitchen'

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

(laughter)

Speaker 1:

who's in charge of the kitchen then

Speaker 2:

me

Speaker 3:

yeah but

Speaker 2:

through the week and that you know but

Speaker 3:

not when I'm (interruption) here

Speaker 2:

not Wednesday not on when (NAME)'s (unclear)

Speaker 3:

he's good mind he's a good help I must admit but eh (pause) the I I think all men are like that though they tend to try and take over and you get up and you think 'oh hell' (pause) and you want to do it yourself you know but you think 'oh wey it's something for them to do' you know but I think there's a lot of that role reversed these days

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

oh there is these days

Speaker 3:

mm

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

well you have to

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

but eh

Speaker 1:

how old are your grandchildren

Speaker 3:

ehm (pause) the eldest one our (NAME) she's eh thirteen in September ehm the next one (NAME) he's eleven next month ehm (NAME)'ll be eight in August and our (NAME) was just seven last March

Speaker 1:

oh

Speaker 3:

three little girls and eh (pause) one boy

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 3:

of course we were delighted weren't we

Speaker 2:

oh yes

Speaker 3:

when we had (NAME)

Speaker 2:

when we had (NAME) it was just like getting a son (laughter)

Speaker 3:

uh-huh

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

because I mean we'd never had a one and I mean (pause) I never had brothers or sisters well (unclear) brother or sisters ehm (pause) but when (NAME) was eh went into labour (pause) and eh (pause) we we had been (pause) well we had arranged to go to this do over at the Fed Breweries it was like a dinner and dance and I'm saying to him 'I'm not going' and he says 'well you can not do (laughter) nowt for her' so at at the place we kept ringing and ringing because she was in the Princess Mary and (pause) they were saying 'well ring back ring back' ehm (pause) and then finally she I rang and she says 'who's speaking' I says 'well I'm her mam' and she said 'oh Mrs (NAME)'s Mrs (NAME)'s been delivered of a son' and I said 'what' and she says 'it's a boy did you not want a boy' I says 'eeh yes' (laughter)

Speaker 2:

(laughter)

Speaker 3:

he was thrilled to bits delighted because he was a boy you know ehm (pause) he's the apple of wor eye he's he's a canny bairn like

Speaker 2:

so it was drinks all round that night (laughter)

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

I could have been mortal and I wasn't

Speaker 2:

(laughter)

Speaker 3:

I was sober as a judge wasn't I

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 3:

just your mind was (pause) you know and what she was going through because you knew you know

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

but eh but (NAME) eh the one who has (NAME) I mean her husband's a ehm (pause) BSM in the army (pause) so our (NAME) was born in Germany so we had to wait three weeks (pause) before we could go and see (NAME) well you could imagine it your first (laughter) grandchild

Speaker 1:

aye

Speaker 3:

and we were on a nettle weren't we until we got there

Speaker 2:

yes mm-hm

Speaker 3:

yeah

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 1:

is she still over there

Speaker 2:

no eh (pause) out of he's (pause) got another two years to do in the army he's signed up for twenty two years but he's spent eh the majority of that time in Germany

Speaker 3:

mm

Speaker 2:

and eh (pause) he's spent now actually nearly (pause) four years in England out of the (pause) twenty years has he

Speaker 3:

aye but he's

Speaker 2:

nearly sixteen years (unclear)

Speaker 3:

but he was in the Gulf

Speaker 1:

oh

Speaker 2:

and the Falklands

Speaker 3:

and the Falklands

Speaker 1:

was he

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 3:

and he's just come back from Northern Ireland again so he's done his stint I mean (pause) ehm (pause) she's eh well she's been good really

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 3:

you could imagine I mean every time something's going to happen (NAME)'s away like when he was in the Falklands (pause) eh well she was pregnant and she lost the baby she was here at the time mind and ehm well he was away and I mean they couldn't fly them home from the Falklands and that was very traumatic for her like

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 3:

but eh because she had like (NAME) and she was going to have this other baby (pause) she would only be about three month but I mean

Speaker 2:

mm

Speaker 3:

still I mean they really wanted it you know

Speaker 1:

yeah

Speaker 3:

and she lost it (pause) and then she had our (NAME) ehm (pause) and then when he was in the Gulf that was bad you know because I mean you know what the telly was like I mean (pause) the bairns I mean how old was (NAME) (pause) four

Speaker 2:

four at the time (unclear)

Speaker 3:

aye and when if the telly was on she'd say well (pause) ehm (pause) 'will my daddy be dead' you know well you (laughter) what do you say used to stop didn't let them watch the news (interruption) at the finish you know and eh it affected them (pause) ehm because ehm (NAME) eh well and (NAME) like patches came out of their hair they had like bald patches (pause) and the doctor said it was stress (interruption)

Speaker 1:

(interruption) (unclear) (pause) oh (interruption) right

Speaker 3:

you know they missed they missed him

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 3:

because he is a real good father isn't he

Speaker 2:

yes

Speaker 3:

you know he's involved with them you know aye took a while

Speaker 2:

well of course I mean eh the now the eh during those days I mean let's face it it was on the telly day in day out

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

and of course they were you know they're still old enough to (pause) listen to the telly and see what was happening and listening to what was happening you know

Speaker 3:

mm

Speaker 2:

more than we did when we were young

Speaker 1:

yes (unclear)

Speaker 2:

when our fathers (unclear) was in the army you know I mean you you didn't hear very much about it you know I mean there wasn't the media coverage in those days of course I mean there was a lot kept quiet

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

whereas the Falklands and eh (pause) the Gulf wars I mean the media was there at the time and covering as (interruption) much as they could

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 3:

too much really

Speaker 1:

yeah (unclear)

Speaker 2:

you know and the television coverage especially you know

Speaker 1:

yes

Speaker 2:

so I think it would affect the kids more

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

during those times than it did us as I say because we didn't hear very much about the war

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 2:

we didn't (pause) but the

Speaker 3:

just as well though

Speaker 2:

oh yes

Speaker 3:

(laughter)

Speaker 2:

I mean let's face it it went on a lot longer than eh (pause) those two

Speaker 3:

aye

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

conflicts did (pause) so we didn't actually with eh the the oldest daughter being eh married to a soldier we didn't see the kiddies very much eh maybe twice a year (unclear) during the summer they used to come over for a fortnight and then eh (pause) and at Christmas over the New Year they used to come so

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

we didn't see a great lot of them eh and then we started to go across (pause) actually from when she was one actually didn't we

Speaker 3:

aye

Speaker 2:

we used to go over for a week at first and then we thought well that's too trashing so we used to go over for a fortnight

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

we always by bus

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 2:

we did you know and then (interruption) (unclear)

Speaker 3:

you once drove

Speaker 2:

I I once drove yes but (NAME) was with we (interruption) at the time

Speaker 3:

we didn't like them roads (laughter)

Speaker 2:

(laughter)

Speaker 3:

no

Speaker 1:

no

Speaker 3:

too fast too fast

Speaker 2:

mm (unclear)

Speaker 3:

oh

Speaker 2:

I think we did very well actually for a first time (laughter)

Speaker 1:

mm

Speaker 2:

especially when we were coming back on our own you know

Speaker 3:

aye because when we went I mean we came off the ferry good job (NAME) was with we (laughter) and eh we got into Zeebrugge and just complete fog you couldn't see a thing could you

Speaker 2:

couldn't see a thing no

Speaker 3:

we drove through Holland and everything

Speaker 2:

Holland then (interruption) Belgium and it wasn't until we got to the German border

Speaker 3:

and we couldn't see a thing couldn't see a thing

Speaker 1:

gosh

Speaker 3:

and then it lifted

Speaker 2:

(unclear)

Speaker 3:

but I mean if she hadn't have been with we God knows where we would have ended up (laughter)

Speaker 3:

fatal later I have it eighty eight bet bent felt fettle

Speaker 2:

do you want us to say it the way it is on there or the way we would normally say it

Speaker 3:

well (interruption) that's the way I'm just speaking the way I would normally (interruption) say it

Speaker 2:

(unclear) accent

Speaker 1:

(unclear)

Speaker 2:

yeah

Speaker 3:

better I met him hat ant battle batter drat it cart can't carter pot totter bottle font salt I got it caught daughter chortle (pause) haunt I bought it boat total motor I wrote it pot (pause) footer put it in boot Bootle hooter bite title mier pint bite it out (pause) is that fount

Speaker 1:

mm-hm

Speaker 3:

mm out (laughter) pit bitter battle print I hit it hilt beak wreck back I seek it I wreck it I back it (pause) all of these (laughter) (pause) bank lamp leap cap steep it lap it apron matron micro Metro leprosy petrol acrid atlas hopper butter hacker topple bottle hackle whisper custard after whisker doctor chapter jumper hunter bunker appear attend occur appearance attendance occurrence alpine altar polka staircase (pause) half fast no half past sorry half cut oh aye (laughter) automatic Jupiter epileptic sheet read breeze key gate made may boat load (pause) go boot brewed booze brew out loud cow (pause) sight side size sigh sighed knife five knives dive dial Friday diary (pause) I've got to do it tomorrow I had to put it off he meant what he said he's booking separate tables for supper a simple sentence pick up a packet of fire lighters (pause) pack it in or beat it he's putting it off he put it in a (pause) what's that he put it in a (pause) looks like b I d (pause) bid aye he put in a bid it looks like a l it's just thingied on was going to say 'what the hell is that' (laughter) eh (pause) jump up on the tractor (pause) he won't do it that in a hurry put a comma in it

Speaker 2:

metre I beat it gate paint fatal later I hate it eighty eight bet bent felt fettle better I met him hat ant battle batter drat it cart can't carter pot totter bottle font salt I got it caught daughter chortle haunt I bought it boat total motor I wrote it put footer put it in boot Bootle hooter bite title mitre pint bite it out fount outer pit bitter brittle print I hit it hilt beak wreck back I seek it I wreck it I back it (pause) bank lamp leap cap steep it lap it apron matron micro Metro leprosy petrol acrid atlas hopper butter hacker topple bottle hackle whisper custard after whisker doctor chapter jumper hunter bunker appear attend occur appearance attendance occurrence alpine altar polka staircase half past half cut automatic Jupiter epileptic sheet read breeze key gate made may boat load (pause) go boot brewed booze brew out loud cow sight side size sigh sighed knife five knives dive dial Friday diary (pause) I've got to do it tomorrow I had to put it off he meant what he said he's booking separate tables for supper a simple sentence pick up a packet of fire lighters pack it in or beat it he's putting it off he put in in a bid jump up on the tractor he won't do it that in a hurry put a comma in it

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