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Age Group:

61-70

Gender:

Male

Residence:

Tyneside - Gateshead (born in County Durham)

Education:

Left school at 14

Occupation:

Pit Worker (retired)

 decten1tlsg33

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start at the beginning anyway eh whereabouts were you born

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New Brancepeth

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in eh Durham near Durham (interruption) city (unclear)

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aye it is about (pause) four mile out of Durham

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(unclear) and ehm (pause) whereabouts eh whereabouts else have you lived you know since since then like you long did you live there

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just here (pause) since then

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just the two places

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oh and well I was born at eh High Branden

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yeah

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and I left there when I was about six month old and I went to New Brancepeth and live there (pause) up until we came here (pause) in about nineteen what was it nineteen thirty four

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yes

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we've been here since

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was that after you got married like that you moved here

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oh I was married before I came here

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yeah yeah and ehm (pause) what do you think of the (pause) two places you know (unclear) which did you like best Brancepeth or here

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well I I thought I would never leave New Brancepeth (unclear) b- born you know went to school there

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yeah

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thought I would never leave there but eh (pause) after I got here well I like this here bet- I wouldn't go back there

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would you not

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not to live

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ah yeah (pause) must be very different like is it I mean is is

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oh aye

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aye (pause) is Brancepeth's just a little place isn't it

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well it (pause) oh it was a (pause) it was a biggish place when I was there

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aye

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and I used to know everybody and every street because I used to go round with groceries and that and

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yeah yeah

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I used to know every name at every door

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yeah yes

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because in a place like that you know everybody

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mm-hm yes right it's very different in Gateshead like you know (interruption) (unclear)

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oh aye well I know a lot here really but eh

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do you d- eh do you know sort of everybody in this street and that kind of thing

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well I (unclear) I don't know them I know them by sight but not their names

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aye aye

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not the same as eh (pause) (interruption) a country place

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yeah mm (unclear) would you say that eh do you get on very well with people here (interruption) you know with the neighbours (interruption) and that on the street

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oh aye yes wey aye (pause) oh aye

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eh (pause) do you think eh (pause) there's anywhere else you know in the country that eh that that that you would like to live you know as opposed to the North East like or or do you (interruption) (unclear)

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well I would like to go back to a village side me I would like to have a little bungalow and live there (unclear) where it's nice and quiet

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aye

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so (unclear) can easy get into the town if you wanted to be in the town like

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I see yeah yeah

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I don't care much about the towns in any case

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I see yeah yes

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I think every town's the same as another

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yeah yeah that's (interruption) (unclear)

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wherever you go y- y- you go if you go for your holidays y- you see the same things the shops is the same (interruption) there's no difference

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yes that's true yeah yeah (pause) do you eh do you not think that the sort of you know the people in the North East like on Tyneside and that are different from people in other parts of the country

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oh well eh Durham (pause) people i- is a lot kinder people than what these is eh Newcastle area

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are they

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they always say the Newcastle area's kind

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aye

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but they're not ha- not half as kind as the (pause) (interruption) village people

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ah (pause) as what they were at home like aye

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no wey no I mean (pause) if anybody was ill there they were in there they would bring the food in for them and

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yes

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looking after them wey you get nothing of that here

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that's true yes yeah (pause) yes I supposed it's just

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she's been in bed since (pause) Wednesday there's not a one even come in

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yeah yeah that's

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well if it had been in a village place they would have been in and out and looking after you

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(unclear) they would yeah yeah I suppose that's true I suppose it's just with the place being so big and that people never people don't know each other in the same way you know (interruption) they don't

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well they do here because I mean we re (unclear) we get a lot of visitors here

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aye aye

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but eh (pause) they don't seem to be the same exactly

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mm yeah (pause) yes do you think there's any difference between eh sort of Gateshead and Newcastle you know eh (pause) would do you think you would ever move over there to live

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well I I don't think I would like to live in Newcastle

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no

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this is a handy place here you can get into village here you can get into (pause) country

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mm-hm yes

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you can get to the coast

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yeah yeah

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you get to the town

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yeah

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within a a mile or two or three miles really

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yeah yeah

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either way

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yes very (unclear) (pause) ehm (pause) whereabouts were eh your parents born where they ehm born in Brancepeth

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eh well (pause) my mother I think she'd be born at New Brancepeth in all she was born on a farm

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yes

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they were always farmers on my father's side he was born (pause) in the down the south somewhere

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was he (pause) right

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aye but he he always (unclear) he'd been up (unclear) this way all his life I think

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I see so since (interruption) he was fairly young then (unclear) aye aye

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lived here all his life aye

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ehm (pause) and eh what eh what did your father do for a living

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he was a pitman

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was he aye (pause) mm and eh mm just to get the rest of the facts eh how old are you at the moment

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eh sixty eight k- January

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yeah ta and ehm do you eh do you own this house yourself or you (interruption) rent it from

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no it's rented

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aye yeah yeah ehm (pause) now and whereabouts does your wife come from does sh- was she from

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eh she comes from that way and all aye she's born there why not (unclear) she moved eh (unclear) park

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yes aye aye and eh (pause) have you got any children

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two

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aye d- do they live here or have (interruption) they gone away now

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no no they live at Alston

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at Alston oh that's nice nice sort of place to live

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oh it's cold (interruption) spot up there

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(laughter) that's true like aye

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cold spot

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do you get up there very often to see them

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no not very often

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no

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it's a nice eh in the summer it's lovely place

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oh it's nice country and that isn't it

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in the countryside I suppose (pause) I still wouldn't like to live up there not that high

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(laughter) aye it's where you get snowed up and things like (interruption) in the winter sometimes

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aye aye the winter comes it's terrible

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aye (laughter)

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nice in the summer

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aye

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do you smoke

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eh no thanks no

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you've no bad habits

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no (laughter) well not that one anyway (laughter)

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(laughter)

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ehm (pause) what eh a- a- are you retired now are you (interruption) or are you working

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oh aye

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aye yeah what ehm what what jobs have you done in your life you know what was (interruption) your first job when you left school

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everything (interruption) everything

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everything have you

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I went into the pit when I was just the day I was fourteen

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did you (unclear)

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and eh (pause) worked in there (pause) everybody was out (unclear) no there was no work and they (unclear) finished them off

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mm-hm

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and eh (pause) I couldn't get a job after that that's how I come this way

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I see yes aye

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couldn't get any jobs (interruption) anywhere

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yes I suppose after the pit closed there was really nothing (interruption) (unclear)

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was there nineteen twenty six strike and all that well (pause) my father bought a wagon at that time and I used to do (pause) go with the wagon and eh (pause) do groceries I used to work at the pit the same time

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did you

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work two jobs (pause) aye (pause) these days they'll not work at all

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yes (laughter)

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they won't there's there's no getting away from it they won't work

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aye

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get some of the old men back in on the jobs they they would be a long way better than these youngsters

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mm-hm yes

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because they don't want to work and now old people cannot get a job

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that's true aye aye

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(unclear) look at the what they've got to live on (pause) nothing

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aye yes what eh what did you think of working down the pit was it

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I used to like

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did you aye

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well I wasn't in the pit for years and years (pause) I was in the last f- from finishing work about eighteen year I think but I couldn't get a job anywhere at the time

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yeah

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and I went into back into pits I got in (pause) I used to like the pits

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aye

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and I (unclear) pretty handy I could (pause) (unclear) anything really

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aye what did what did you used to do in the pit (unclear) w- all different jobs (unclear)

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everything aye

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aye aye (pause) and then what eh what did you do when you came up here like did you did you get a (interruption) different job when you moved up here

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first (pause) oh aye well I used to travel in a wagon to a van and that to Scotland every week

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aye (pause) were you driving like or

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oh aye I've been driving since I was sixteen really

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yeah yeah where did you

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I got my first licence when I think it was twenty one

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aye

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that's when eh (pause) you had to w- mind the horses so you didn't run over the horses on the road then they they were just from side to side when you passed them

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(laughter) yeah (unclear) eh and what was what was the last job you did like before you retired

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that was pit

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oh I see yes you went back which which pit did you work in

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Kibblesworth

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did you aye (pause) is it very different now working down there from what it was (interruption) when you first started

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oh dear me (laughter) as good as being at home

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(laughter) is it

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it's as good as being at home

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aye

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there's no work now not what (unclear) call work

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aye

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all different again

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yeah was it eh I- is it automated and that in eh in Kibblesworth pit now the cutting and (interruption) that's eh automatic is it

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aye aye (pause) oh it's eh they're cushy jobs now to what they used to be years ago (pause) then if if you you happened to be off one day you were finished (pause) when I was in the young little lads as anything they lost one day they might be bad

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aye

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but if they didn't get that doctor's note and that right in they were finished the next day had to go to the office in any case

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aye yeah

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see what the reason they were off

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aye

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and you had to work six days one week (pause) and five the next eleven days

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yeah

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and if they asked you to go in and you didn't go in you were finished (interruption) overtime

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phew that's pretty pretty hard isn't it

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aye (pause) aye (interruption) you see difference now

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but is (pause) mm-hm

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and them hours (unclear) I mean the the wages you only got thirty shilling to bring home

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mm-hm

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mine was about thirty five shilling thirty four shilling and five

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yeah yeah

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and that's eh (pause) with your rent in you got allowance of five shilling rent in them days

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yes yes

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aye there's no help them days for you

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yeah (pause) but you still used to enjoy it

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oh aye aye well I mean it was really a time when I was young there was no work anywhere you couldn't get a job

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yeah

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couldn't get a job

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so you were just sort of glad to have a job at all like were you

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oh aye

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yeah yeah yeah (pause) eh (pause) you must have did you leave school when you were fourteen like you know

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fourteen

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aye aye what eh what did you think of school when you were there you know did you were you glad to leave school or

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well it's funny when I first started school when I was very young (pause) I was only about six or seven I I jumped two classes

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yeah

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they said I was too clever (pause) they went and jumped us two classes and I was never no good after that

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(laughter)

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that's telling the truth

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aye (laughter)

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I says well I they thought I was you know too (interruption) far forward instead of putting us in a higher class they jumped us two well I mean eh I couldn't (interruption)

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(interruption) uh-huh yeah (unclear) aye (interruption) yeah (pause) that was too far

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too far couldn't understand all the stuff

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yeah

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and then I didn't care after that

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I see aye

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you know I was in the

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aye

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didn't bother about it after that

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aye that's not suprising (unclear) mm (pause) and eh d- h- ha- have you had any ehm sort of further education after you left school any night classes

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no nothing

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nothing like that no no

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oh you had to be eh (pause) you couldn't get into night schools them days there was no night schools

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aye

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nothing of that

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eh do you think eh you know looking back on your education like do you think it's eh been worth very much to you in your life (pause) (interruption) since you left school you know

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well I wished I'd had more

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do you aye

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oh certainly

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you'd like to have (interruption) stayed on at school would you (unclear) if you had the chance

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it's education oh well that it's the main thing in life

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aye

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if you've got that you've got everything

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yeah (pause) is that mainly because of like eh giving you the opportunity (interruption) for a job like or eh

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oh that's aye aye you get more opportunities that way

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mm (pause) what about for eh like things apart from a job you know do you think it's sort of just like a good thing in itself you know like or or is it mainly for a job that you think it's important

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well I eh (pause) I've been a a chap that could do anything and I I think anybody can do anything if they set their mind to do it

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mm-hm

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if they want to do it they can do it and I've been able to do anything the mechanical side or anything

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yeah yeah

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electrician electrical side

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yeah

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all such as that joiners or

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yeah and you just sort of picked these things up as you went along did you

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aye just picked up myself (unclear) nobody's taught us

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(unclear) (pause) yeah most people reckon they learn more learn more after they leave school you know (interruption) (unclear) useful things you know

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aye well I think (unclear) I always used to be (pause) wanting to work you know keen on doing something

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yeah yeah

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and I think that's the reason all these people now when they retire they die soon (pause) because they have nothing to do

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yeah yeah

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they lose all contact with people (pause) and they're left on their own

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yeah yeah do you find have you found this like since you retired or or have you (interruption) managed to sort of (pause) fill your time in

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well I I I well I've got myself a garden you see (interruption) I says I'll have to get something

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aye that's right that's yes yes

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because I mean you're just sitting about all day long (pause) doing nothing well you cannot do it I cannot cannot do it anymore and that's the reason I got a garden

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mm-hm

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but I give all the stuff away so it doesn't make any difference it's not for what I get from it

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(laughter) no no it's just for something to do like

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I just just something to do

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aye about how much time do you s- w- say would you say spend down there like a lot of a lot of time (unclear)

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well I've started to grow leeks

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aye aye

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and my first year was last year I've never grown them before (unclear) it was the first year I had the garden (pause) and eh I got third prize so I didn't do so bad (unclear) (pause) there was about fifty four in there's about eighty this time

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yeah

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so eh it (unclear) (unclear)

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yeah yeah whereabouts is your eh garden like

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it away (pause) aside (pause) Dryden Road along Dryden Road there and eh Gee's aside Gee's garage if you know where it is

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oh yes I know where you mean yes yes

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wey just there that first corner there

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yeah Joicey Road ah wey up yeah

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aye up Joicey aye

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yeah oh aye (pause) eh going back to education for a bit like do you think eh do you think education's very important for like kids now you know I mean for (interruption) do you think they should eh do you think they should stay on at school if they can after they're (interruption) fifteen you know after sixteen (unclear)

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oh I think (unclear) (pause) I think so (pause) I think so (pause) they get more learning really

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aye

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that's the reason we have as many strikes (laughter)

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(laughter)

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they know more to (interruption) worry you (laughter)

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(laughter) they're wise to everything aye (pause) yeah it's true do you do you not not think eh education's ever wasted like I mean do you think it's

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well eh (pause) after they leave their education it's the getting a job well if they cannot get a job it is wasted really isn't it

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mm-hm because that's happening quite a lot now you know you know I mean it doesn't matter how much education you get you still have difficulty getting a job

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aye well you've got to s- be with the right people that's the only way you'll get a job these days

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(laughter) yes there's a lot of truth in that like mm (pause) and ehm do you think eh education's just as important for girls as for boys or do you think it's less less so for girls

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wey less for girls I would say because if they get married well although everybody works now so

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yes most of them do

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most of them work so school for them in that way

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aye (pause) and what about eh (pause) eh like things like discipline in schools you know do you think (pause) (interruption) schools should

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oh it's not enough really

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y- you think it's they're too too soft (interruption) do you

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it's too easy I think now they tell the teacher what to do now the teacher hasn't got tell them if he does he's out or she's out (laughter)

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aye (pause) do you think eh do you think school should sort of teach kids ehm you know like the difference between right and wrong things like that or do you think that's mostly a parent's job you know do you think the parents are more important or (interruption) the school

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well they'll not taking any notice of the parents to start off

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yeah

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where (unclear) school they've got to take notice least they had in my day

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mm-hm yes

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and not only that if you done anything wrong at school you couldn't go back to your parents and tell them

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yeah

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because they used to chase you back

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mm-hm

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and give you a good hiding

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(laughter) yes

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these days they run home to their mothers and tell them that they've been schoolmaster or somebody's beaten them and that

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that's right yes

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and they're down to the school and they get the schoolmaster into trouble

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that's right yeah yeah yeah do you think it was really sort of better in the way it was run when you were young I I mean

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well it was more strict then you had to do what you were told

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yeah

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you had to do it

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aye and you think that's a (interruption) (unclear)

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and the parents was the same they made you do it

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mm

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now I mean eh they tell the parents what to do (laughter)

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aye (pause) ehm (pause) eh what ehm you know apart from like eh your gardening and that what eh what sorts of things do you (pause) do in your in your spare time you know I mean well all your time's spare now but say when you were when you were working what eh what what sort of things did you used to do in your in your free time

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well yes I mean eh (pause) anything that was going really I mean eh (pause) such as eh doing the house I've done done these they've then done them doors put them on and

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yeah

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they was just wood doors I just took the glass out put glass in

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aye

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I'm pretty handy at anything really

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yeah yeah so y- you've always sort of spent a lot of time on your house have you I mean you sort of do things to it (interruption) (unclear)

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not exactly if there was anything to do I used to do it but I'm not so (pause) I cannot get up a height to do anything

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aye yeah yes

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now this eh this house here has never been done since we come in I think these windows eh painted or anything they're not done up and they're falling out

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yeah

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can't even paint them

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yeah

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and that outside oh I had to do that outside there this (pause) last two or three weeks just to say it was done

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mm-hm

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make it look decent well you cannot I cannot get up the ladders eh you know I turn dizzy up there like

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aye yeah (unclear) true (unclear) what about ehm sort of going out for a drink and that do you do you (interruption) (unclear)

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oh aye get that every night

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do you every night

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every night

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oh that's great yeah (unclear) that eh

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that's one of my pastimes (laughter)

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(laughter) yeah yeah yeah and was that the same when you were working like did you usually usually out (interruption) every night like

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aye come from work uh-huh

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aye

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aye I used to get the mate two eh pints or three at night like aye that's

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aye whereabouts do you go from here like which eh which pub do you (interruption) go to

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oh I go to the club a lot eh

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which

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Thomas Wilson Club

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aye

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some nights at the Black Horse

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aye

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and eh Kibblesworth Club (pause) (interruption) go up there

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aye aye oh I I get in the Black Horse one or two times like it's quite a nice (interruption) place in there aye

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yeah the back room's round here they've got

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yeah the back aye the back room yes aye

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the back room's at yeah aye I mean they're straight through round here

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eh the gentlemen only room (interruption) you know the little one on the right aye aye (pause) I get in there sometimes

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oh aye aye aye (pause) oh yeah I used to go there regularly in that room

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aye

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I never go in that room now (pause) last time (unclear) there was one time I went in there well eh I don't know whether there was a wedding or something going on or whether it was a funeral now (pause) and we had that room that back room taken full (interruption) we were there from six o'clock

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aye yeah

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and it eh it used to shut at ten then (pause) and the landlady come in now there's eh two or three chaps come in half past nine they wanted to take our seats said it was that it was their seats I says how can it be your seats we've been sitting here since six o'clock even the landlady come in she says oh yes they sit they sit there well I said they're not getting it tonight

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(laughter) aye

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so they had to go out they couldn't get in

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aye

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then eh they were getting a bit nasty about it so I (unclear) got the crowd up I says howay I says we'll go now just (pause) about twenty minutes to ten (pause) and we all left went down to the Cannon

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(laughter)

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and then she was on her knees trying to get us to stop in after that I (unclear) that serves you right

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(laughter) aye that's the ultimate threat is it to take your custom down to the Cannon aye (laughter)

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took the lot out

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(laughter)

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above twenty

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aye sort of a pub strike (laughter)

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aye (pause) I think that there were nobody in

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aye (pause) do you think ehm you know in the way of sort of eh recreation activities and that do you think there's any things that eh you would have liked to have done you know but you've never sort of got round to or you've never had the chance to do you know what I mean

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well (pause) I used to play football one time

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aye

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as a kiddie at school well I got four medals there

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yeah

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I used to like football well we left school (pause) and eh (pause) I started to play for the scout team

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mm

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and I got a medal there and I wouldn't I thought I'll get pigeons I got these long distance pigeons

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mm-hm yeah

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I got interested in them so on the Saturday well I couldn't play football for looking after pigeons

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aye yeah

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so I give up football (pause) and eh I started up with them then I got that I won that many races if I wasn't first or second or first second and third I was disappointed

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aye

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so a few year like that and then eh I had to give up give them up because nobody had would fly against us

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(laughter) aye

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then a- after I gave them up I got pigs

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aye (laughter)

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and the first one first o- two or three I got I went to these pig men you know and asked them about it

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mm

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how you what you fed them on and everything

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aye

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and eh (pause) he told us what they were feeding and you know what they well I got these and they were well eh them days a pig was only about five shilling or seven and six and

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aye

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and they great big ones

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(laughter)

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I kept them twelve month (pause) and eh they were less at the end of twelve month less size than what they were when I bought them (laughter)

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(laughter)

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well all these pig men is laughing well I I had to sell them back wey give it away you couldn't sell them the- the- there was nothing on them

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aye (laughter)

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so I says oh I I will get some so I went and bought pedigree ones

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aye

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and I used to turn them out sixteen weeks old (pause) at nine tin ten stone after that but I just fed them on what they should be fed on proper meal and stuff there were no rubbish here after that

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(laughter)

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and they used to come from all arts and parts to see them

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aye (laughter)

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and I used to wash them and all

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aye

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oh there were I had a good show (pause) well I liked them a big size if I had a place I would have gone in for that that's what I wanted to go in for like the farming

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aye

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but I never got the chance the wife wouldn't go like

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mm

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aye that's a good life eh farm life the open life you know fresh air and

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(unclear) nice and quiet and that

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aye

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ehm what eh what do you think would happen if eh say if you won the pools or something tomorrow (interruption) you know do you think (unclear)

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wouldn't make wouldn't make haporth of difference to me all I would do I would buy find a nice spot like and have a bungalow built

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aye

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and then that'll be (unclear)

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aye

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I would still like maybe a b- bit land to it you know and eh just to potter about

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aye it wouldn't change your way of life very much like

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oh not at all no

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aye you would still do the same sort of things as (interruption) (unclear)

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just the same wey what else is there to do (pause) ay

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(laughter) oh well I don't know some people reckon it would cha- you know it would change their life completely like (interruption) they would sort of start travelling round the world and things like this and (interruption) (unclear)

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(interruption) wouldn't change mine (interruption) well (unclear) (pause) I I cannot to me there's no not no place different to another one

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yeah I I think that as well

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you could travel wherever you like if you go away for a holiday wey you can get a better holiday here in the country

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mm-hm

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there's more countryside here than anywhere get up round Hexham and them places

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yeah that's true

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the nicest country there is (pause) countryside

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yes I usually reckon that it's (interruption) more or less the same

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yeah I I went to I travelled I was at Belgium one- eh I was in Belgium (unclear) I went to eh Ireland well we travelled them roads all over Ireland

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aye

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once I took the car over the car we took it over like and eh there's nothing really different there only it was level country

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that's right aye yeah

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level country that's all you know

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mm-hm

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and then they didn't seem to like us in any case there

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did they (interruption) not

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the English like oh (pause) I never knew that

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aye (interruption) oh aye

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they were on about the Black and Tans I said why are we always the Black and Tans (laughter) I didn't know who the Black and Tans were

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(laughter)

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they must have been learning that at school

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yeah well I suppose so yes actually I aye I think it's different now like I find them very friendly when I go over there you know

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oh well they were friendly enough

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aye

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but they seemed to have had just that eh way of eh w- when we went into a public house you had to be careful we went into one near the top and and this fellow started eh throwing the glasses and bottles eh right along to where we were we had to I said let's get out of here

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(laughter) yeah

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and he's got to make you know he must have had a spite against them

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yes aye (pause) eh do you watch television very much eh

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well I sa- I used to watch now I think the television there there's nothing (unclear) rubbish but rubbish on it

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(laughter) you don't like it very much do you

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wey aye no I like to see a picture or

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aye

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there's a lot of rubbish on

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aye so do do you sort of eh you don't watch it unless there's something special you want to watch do you not

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well at night time if I'm in I always put it on

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aye

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I supposing there's there's nothing I generally just shove it on

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mm-hm eh (pause) eh just n- eh just a couple of questions about your your opinions on a couple of things what ehm (pause) you know when eh when children misbehave themselves like you know what what do you think parents should do like to check them how do you think they should eh they should check them

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well you don't like to hi- really hit them but I think that's the best cure sometimes for them just depends what they've done

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aye

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because how can you punish them any other way

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mm mm (pause) so if it was something pretty serious like you would you would hit them

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oh wey wey you've got to I mean (unclear)

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yeah

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I think eh (pause) the policemen used to do at one time if he caught any kiddies he would give them a good (interruption) crack you know well that was it but now well I mean th- they're try and hit anybody now and the- you'll be fetched up for it you'll be put inside

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aye (pause) yeah yeah that's true

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they've took the authority off from them even

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mm-hm

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they have no authority not only that if there's any break ins (unclear) th- they fly away out the road

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(laughter)

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we had a break in here

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what in this house did you

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aye not long ago (pause) (unclear) I went I wasn't out an hou- one hour

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aye

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they had a took a ladder down to that front door put it up against that I couldn't get in

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aye

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they'd drawn all the blinds and they gone right went right through the house everything was scattered e- everywhere

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yeah

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called for the police when we got ba- when we did get in (pause) called for the police (pause) three times

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aye

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it was two hours lo- more than two hours before they come what chance if there'd been somebody in you could have got them

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yes

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they're supposed to be on the job where are they off

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yeah yeah uh-huh eh this is eh just eh

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(unclear) me just now do you think

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yeah

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and we're still having to pay for that

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yeah (pause) that's bad ehm this is a question eh that you don't have to answer if you don't want because some people don't eh which way do you vote

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well (pause) there's none of then wanting w- worth voting for in the first place there's no man in the country can run it at present (pause) I've I've been voting eh Tory I was vote (unclear) Tory and then I voted Labour but I to tell the truth (pause) they want to get a coalition government in

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aye

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somebody pick the best in the country not of any parties it's just parties and just fight again each other like these just like kiddies gan to school

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aye that's true (laughter)

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they only they they it's only bluff

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aye aye

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they're bluffing the public all the time one trying to fight against the other

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aye

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you want to get the best men in and throw the old ones out

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yeah

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whether Labour I don't care what they are

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I see yes

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they can be Chinese ir- Irish or whatever they have a mind to be long as they are good men

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I see yeah yes

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that's what you want in

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yeah aye I see so you're not really eh you're not really very committed then to either party (interruption) (unclear)

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well there's none of them any good

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yeah

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not one of them any good

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mm (pause) you don't feel that eh sort of eh that that Labour really sort of does anything for the working man for instance as opposed (interruption) to the Tories

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well I mean they haven't any (unclear) either eh I mean they they were trying to do something for the working man but (pause) what's it got to now

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mm

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there's none of them does anything (pause) for anybody but theirselves them's the only ones they look after self first they've all give theirselves a rise that went in

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that's true (laughter)

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they've never thought about the old people yet they say they've got plenty to live on we have nine pound fourteen a week that's what we've got coming in and no help

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yeah (unclear)

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and we've still got our rent to pay we've still got to live

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yeah

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and these fellows go in for tens twenty pound rises

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that's right yeah and they just award themselves sort of ten (interruption) (unclear)

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and there is that's not enough to live on and yet the other people's got to live on that

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aye yeah yeah unfair yes it d- doesn't matter which party's in does it I mean pensioners always get a lousy deal you know what I-mean

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well they're getting a raw deal right through but these eh when they give them a rise they put it in nine month nine months time or twelve months time they'll get their rise

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aye

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with other people they date it back twelve month

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that's that's true

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they do

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yes

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but they waiting of them dying to get them into (unclear) to save a little bit of few coppers

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(laughter) yeah (laughter) do you eh do you usually vote in every election like do you usually bother to vote (interruption) in every election or do you sometimes skip it

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oh I don't bother it's not worth it it's not worth voting (unclear) (unclear) put some decent people in it wouldn't be so bad

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aye

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I generally vote eh the big eh you know the government (unclear)

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aye the aye

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but I didn't bother the other side because you know who's getting in any case (interruption) it's them eh

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yes it's true yeah yeah (pause) eh (pause) if we can just go on to talk for a bit about eh what we are most interested in like you know that's the way you talk and that and what you think about it eh (pause) firstly d- do you ever think eh do you think you ever change the way you talk according to like you know the person you're talking to or the you know (interruption) the company you're in

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nah no I don't no that's what I don't do

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aye

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now there's some goes away for a holiday and they're away two or three days and they come back Yorkshiremen (interruption) Irishmen Welshmen and they been away three four days

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mm-hm that's right yeah (unclear) yeah

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but I never change mine eh talk

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yeah

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because if you're trying to change it you sure do made a mess of it if you try to talk posh now you're sure put your foot in it (laughter)

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(laughter) that's true aye aye a- and eh do you think you've talked the same more or less all during your life you know I mean (interruption) ever since you were young has it always been the same

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oh I've never changed there's a lot likes to hear me talking

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aye aye

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there's one chap he's schoolteacher he says I love to get where you are at to hear you talk (interruption) he always does

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aye aye aye because it's it's different (unclear)

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I don't know what difference there is I cannot eh tell any difference

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oh do you not notice the difference between (interruption) you and the sort of the average Gateshead sort of

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(interruption) no (pause) oh well wey the average Tyneside this is they want to call them Tyneside eh I don't talk that Tyneside I've been here since oh thirty between thirty three and thirty four I've been eh how many year is that t- t- six (pause) thirty four f- say (interruption) forty

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getting on for forty

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aye

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and you haven't really changed at all have you I mean it's eh

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not in (unclear) talk

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you don't sound as if you've been influenced by (interruption) Tyneside

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no it doesn't make any difference I think the only way you change is when you're kiddies and you go to school I think that's the time eh (pause) y- your dialect changes then if if you're brought up left one school and you're pretty young go to another one you'd pick that dialect up

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mm-hm yeah yeah

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course there's always words (pause) different places you say you can hear them say you know different eh you see now there're lot here you hear them say you see you see you see

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aye

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eh what's that word where I came from you'd never say thou

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mm-hm

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you know thou

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mm yeah

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and there was some other words there's two or three words I don't say now that I used to say

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that you used to say aye I see

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you know that but (unclear) they used to come in all the time you know

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aye at one time you would have said thou and that (interruption) would you

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aye aye

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yes so I suppose yes that's changed like

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that was the only change I've done

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aye

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think I've be- it was different I can always say a little bit (pause) if I go to these places and I hear them talk well I know I used to say them same words

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aye

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that I think is funny now

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uh-huh yeah yeah aye

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you know when you hear them

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aye you can tell the difference like when you go back

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aye a little bit of difference

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aye I see yes yes yes eh (pause) do you eh do you ever feel that ehm you know that you get on better with people who talk the same as you you know when you hear somebody talking in your (interruption) accent

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doesn't make any difference

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no

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I think one man's as good as another (unclear) don't care how he talks

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aye (unclear)

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everybody's as good as one another

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yeah

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there's only difference is one has bit more money than the others the only difference

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mm mm mm

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I think everybody's alike even darkies blackies or whatever they are

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mm-hm yeah

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I could get on with any of them

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aye yes mind m- most people say you know that they sort of eh you know if they're Tynesiders they feel more at home with Tynesiders you know and this sort of thing but y- you don't (interruption) feel that way

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oh wey no it doesn't make any difference where you live it's where how you make it

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aye yes

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I mean if you (pause) like people I don't fall out with anybody why should I

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yeah that's it yeah

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and if I had a argument with somebody now I would I would still speak to them tomorrow but some they'd never speak again

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mm-hm (unclear) (laughter)

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different types

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(laughter) do you eh do you like to hear people talking in eh their local accents like you know do you like to hear a Tyneside accent (interruption) or a Durham accent you know

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wey it doesn't it doesn't bother me at all that

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you you're not bothered one way or the other (interruption) are you not no (unclear)

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oh no

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aye (unclear) (pause) did you ever used to eh you know when your when your children were young like did you ever used to correct them about the way they talk you know did you ever used to tell them you know (interruption) don't say that

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oh aye if they said any rough words eh

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aye

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you know like trying to speak properly eh (pause) (interruption) (unclear)

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aye what do you mean by what do you mean by rough words like you know

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well it's eh how do I explain it well you know t- talking rough like eh some people talk rough

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aye

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why they taught at school the proper language well they come out they (unclear) maybe their parents talk and they come out with some of them words not eh (pause) swear words anything (interruption) like that

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mm-hm aye aye aye I know what you mean aye aye (laughter)

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I mean if they did say them well they (unclear) well they did get the hiding but eh other words no not properly not (interruption) talking properly

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aye I see what you mean yes so you used to you used (interruption) to correct them about it (laughter)

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well I don't talk properly myself (laughter) it's just eh the my language (unclear) (interruption) my dialect

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aye but you still used to but you still used to pull them up about it didn't you I mean (interruption) if they sort of said I've fallen doon and things like this you know

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oh aye aye aye aye such as them things aye

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mm-hm yeah yeah ehm eh