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Age Group:

61-70

Gender:

Male

Residence:

Tyneside - Gateshead

Education:

Left school at 14

Occupation:

Storeman

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T L S G three eighteen

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thanks (pause) eh (pause) could you tell us first where you were born please

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I was born in Gateshead

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aye wh whereabouts in Gateshead

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Brighton Road

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oh aye yes

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just further down

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yes aye and eh whereabouts have you lived since then (unclear)

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t (laughter) oh (laughter) all over the place

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aye

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I was in India years ago

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oh aye when was that like

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before the war when I was sixteen no seventeen I was in India

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yeah

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in the army

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oh aye

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from there came back I went down south had a job down the south for a while down in London came back then I got in the post office engineers I was sent down the south again

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aye

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in Horsham Sussex

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oh I see yes

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all around that that way (pause) then during the war I was away again I was all over the place till I got my discharge

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yes

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I got a bit of a wallop

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did you

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mm

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aye

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and then eh (pause) I've been here twenty (pause) oh well (unclear) since I came back (unclear)

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since you came back from the war

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aye it'll have been forty two aye

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aye (pause) yeah eh (pause) you've eh travelled around like mos more than most people (interruption) (unclear)

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oh aye you know (unclear) I've been in China India Egypt Arabia

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oh yeah and of the places where you actually lived you know in England (pause) eh which did you think was the best to live in

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Horsham definitely

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aye

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Horsham in Sussex

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yes why do you think that was

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because (pause) when you got out of the train (pause) you could tell that the that the air it was like

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aye

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it was like wine

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yes

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after coming from here and then getting out of the train down there the air was marvellous

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yeah yes

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(unclear)

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yeah what about the work down there (interruption) was it good

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I was on the post office engineers

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aye yes (pause) eh and d do you find that ehm (pause) the area round here is very eh neighbourly you know do you know many of the people round here for instance

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eh (pause) no not now no I mean eh there's a lot of them moved away you know (interruption) during the time I've been here

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yes aye

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(unclear) there're a lot of there's a lot of young couples in the street now

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aye that's true it's a very young area now this street aye

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aye

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eh so do you think you would miss this area much if if you left it

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(laughter) I wouldn't

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no

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(laughter) this place always reminds me of one thing the north

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aye

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poverty

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yeah

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it always reminds me of long dole queues and everything

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aye

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everyti I mean you've just got to see Gateshead you come into it from in from the south on the train

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yeah (unclear) eh so would you say that ehm what about Gateshead compared with Newcastle for instance would you rather live in Gateshead or Newcastle

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well Newcastle's not too bad I've got a daughter lives across there as a matter of fact in Sandyford

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yes yeah

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so I mean when you say Newcastle it's eh (pause) where you talking about you see

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aye (laughter)

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there's Sandyford Jesmond and Heaton or other it all comes under Newcastle there's Scotswood area I wouldn't like to live that way believe me

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(laughter) aye but you don't feel sort of particularly attached to Gateshead you know as a

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(unclear) I divn't

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no eh (pause) do you think that eh (pause) in again in your travels around do you find that Tynesiders are different from people in other parts of the country you know in any particular way

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different

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aye

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I don't know how you mean different eh

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or do you find people more or less the same wherever you go

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they're more or less the same as you say yes but eh when I went down the south (pause) when I was on the post office engineers (pause) there was a stack of blokes stationed in that part (pause) from here

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yeah

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and you know the opinion of the bosses that the blokes from he up here were the best workers

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is that right aye

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mm that's right

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(laughter)

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aye

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(unclear) eh (pause) (unclear) ehm (pause) could you tell us eh where your parents were born please

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my parents

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aye in Gateshead as well

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yes no

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no

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no my father oh he's been dead (pause) for about sixteen years now he was born in Heaton

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yeah

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my mother was born in Gateshead I was born on Brighton Road and my mother still lives there yet

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is that right aye

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(unclear) she'll be about eighty four I think in November

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yes

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aye

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yeah but your parents had sort of lived on Tyneside all their lives had they they were

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my people have

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your parents yes

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yeah aye

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they were local people aye

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my father's f father his his people now I think some of them belonged actually from Scotland

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mm yeah yes (pause) eh (pause) could you tell us ehm (pause) on that card just which age group you belong to please if you could just say the letter you know

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C

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ta and eh finally on what basis you occupy this house again if you just say the letter

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oh I rent it

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ta that's B in fact (unclear)

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we were going to move out of it a long time ago but eh my wife there she died eleven years ago

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yeah

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and eh (pause) that sort of I was stuck then

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(unclear)

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talk about going r travelling round I've got I've got a son in Australia

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yeah

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I've got a daughter in Australia

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yes

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as a matter of fact there's a letter I just received from her today from Australia

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oh aye

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from my daughter

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aye did you (laughter) and you've got another daughter is that the one that was here (unclear)

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the one yes the one that lives at Sandyford aye you're talk about travelling I this girl of mine the the daughter that's in Australia she went there last oc last August

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yeah

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but in nineteen sixty five she went she went to Sweden

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yeah

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she was working in Sweden for a year oh she's eh she likes to travel round like she came back here she was working at at a hotel in Jesmond

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yeah

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and then eh (pause) she decided to go to Australia last year

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aye yeah perhaps they inherit it from you you know travelling

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(laughter)

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travelling instinct

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(laughter) aye aye

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eh could you tell us eh where you work please

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where I work

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aye

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Sigmund's well now known as Ingersoll Rand's

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that's right aye my father used to work there a long time ago engineering place

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aye

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yeah and eh (pause) what eh (pause) what job do you do there

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I'm in the stores

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yeah

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the bar stores the steel bars you know

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aye (pause) eh (pause) what eh (pause) what kind of stuff do they make now

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(unclear)

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i is it a good job do you enjoy your job

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it's not a very good job believe me since these eh (pause) since these yankees took over last

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aye

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what was it last July

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(unclear) all round (unclear)

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there's been two two eh lots of redundancies

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oh

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in fact it was in the Chronicle about one lot they were just going to start the summer holidays

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aye

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and on the Thursday the day before hand they were told the number of fellows that was finished two hundred of them

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aye

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that was so they wouldn't spend such a lot of money when they were on their hols the next day (laughter) they had their redundancy payment their holiday pay and all the rest and I believe a month's wages in lieu of notice or what not you know

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aye

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and then they had another lot in October another redundancy eh ninety six

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mm yeah well is it's does it still look a dicey proposition now or is it

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it still does because there's not much doing just now

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mm yes (pause) aye it's the same story all over really (interruption) isn't it

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oh I mean I I packed the post office engineers up because I would have been retired now practically because eh I couldn't eh they wouldn't establish me I had to start all over again through getting my discharge from the forces I says right we'll not take it

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oh I see aye

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but I had a good job after that I was working for I I was twelve years in a betting office

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oh aye

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I had the best job in the world then the best boss then he died

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yeah it was his firm was it (unclear)

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his firm that's right his wife took over and then she sold the out to somebody and he thought he was going to sit back and rake all the old (pause) money in you know

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aye

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but eh (pause) he thought bookies always won but eh he found out his mistake (laughter)

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(laughter) I thought bookies always won (laughter)

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(laughter) you should see the accounts some time believe me when you get somebody winning with seven and six pence win about eight hundred quid at at at a meeting like Ascot

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is that right

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eh it takes a lot of getting back when they just backing bobs aye

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I bet it does yeah eh (pause) what eh (pause) what job did you do when you first left school

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what job did I do

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aye

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oh I was with (unclear) I was up the Clarke Chapman's

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aye

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I was serving my time as an electrical fitter

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oh I see aye but you didn't stay in that trade

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I didn't no (pause) I couldn't I couldn't get away messing around with little screwdrivers and little tiny

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aye (laughter) get on your nerves (laughter) aye (unclear)

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aye yeah I was a fool mind I tell you

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what you regret leaving your trade (interruption) and that then do you

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aye I regret leaving the post office engineers never mind anything else I'd have been retired next year

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yeah

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because you retire at sixty there

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yes (pause) eh (pause) would you ehm (pause) when you're looking for a job do you usually sort of look for a job with good prospects or a job with better pay at the moment do you think that security's very important

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well (pause) I don't I don't think there's any good prospects for anybody up here and that's what I've al that's what I said in the first place

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yes

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to you when you asked that question about the north

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yeah yes just a dead loss all over (interruption) in fact

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mm

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it's probably true

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I mean I I know a fellow he worked with me on a different job to this I was on another job before this after the post after the eh betting closed down you know

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mm-hm

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and eh he was working the same firm and he finished two year ago round about the same time as me

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yeah

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and he hasn't had a job since

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yes

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and I just met him on (interruption) Saturday

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(unclear) yeah (pause) eh these are just eh (pause) just a few questions to see if you use certain expressions you know eh (pause) if something was eh stacked up on a high shelf would you say it was up a height do you use that expression

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stacked up on a shelf

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would you say it's eh it's up a height

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aye

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yes

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up a height aye

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and eh could you say of a tool you were going to use could you say ehm this'll do the job clever do you use that

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no I never use that expression no

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have you ever heard anyone use it

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in fact you know I I told you I was in the army I was stationed down the south I was out in India I was in Egypt and all all over the place I was working down south twice I was down there for about three year on one occasion I was on the post office (pause) when I came up that way as a matter of fact they thought I they thought I lived in London they thought I belonged to London

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(laughter)

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you get that way of talking to people you know and most of them were (pause) south country blokes who just didn't know what I was (unclear) you know

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yes yes

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and you get more or less talking their way

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pick the language up yeah

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so I (laughter) I gradually got out of it

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yes well you have now because you I don't think you show any eh signs of it now like you know

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mm-hm

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eh (pause) now (pause) ehm how old were you when you left school

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fourteen

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fourteen eh do you think you were glad to leave school or not

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I was very glad to leave school

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were you

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the only thing I enjoyed at school was football (laughter)

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aye (laughter) eh (pause) and would you say that ehm in you know in your life since you left school would you say that your education's been worth very much to you or not

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well (pause) I haven't had a university education that is a fact but I can read I can write I can spell better than anybody l living I think

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aye I wouldn't be surprised and do you think (interruption)

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I can do mathematics because I had to do when I was in the betting office

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oh aye yes that's true so in fact it has been useful to you really (interruption) (unclear)

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oh yes yes yes

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aye

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the fact that I've I've applied for a job I I haven't gone in personally I've always written in

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yes yeah

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and I can put a fairly good letter together

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aye yes yes (unclear) and eh (pause) do you ever think that eh (pause) your education's been useful outside your work in any way you know just in in your ordinary life

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outside your work

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mm

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well naturally it eh comes in useful sometimes (pause) I suppose eh (pause) in the way you address people like you know and you you get introduced to strangers and such so forth

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aye (pause) eh (pause) and what about ehm for children these days so you think that education's particularly important for (pause) young people these days

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well I think it's one of the main things there is education you can't beat it

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yes

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a good education the the the better the education the better for the child I think

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yes (pause) and this is eh (pause) the same for boys as for girls in fact

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the same for yes more (interruption) so more so girls today

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(unclear) yes

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more so because there's things happening now with (pause) females that that that didn't when I was young such as go going into engineering and things like that

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aye

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you know it was it was an unheard of thing when I was a kid

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yes but now they do in fact

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yes well I mean look at all the factories that they employ women only and (interruption)

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mm-hm

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especially there's the trading estate where they make these valves and different things for for wireless sets and all that

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aye there's lots of women on the trading estate now yes

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mm (pause) but I mean there there is qualified engineers amongst women more so than there ever was you know

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mm-hm yes aye

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oh (unclear) they've they've got opportunities just as just as well as the the lads have now

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yes (pause) do you think eh schools have improved since you went to school very much

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well you talk about improved I think they must have done it was nothing for me to go out in front of the teacher he used to have a (pause) half well about two foot of a billiard cue the end of a billiard cue he put it over your your fingers there and I've seen my fingers black and blue

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aye

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now look at the song and dance they made about this kid who wrote that essay

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oh that's (interruption) right aye yes

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it was on television it was in the newspapers oh good God tho those days blimey you could they could the teacher could murder you practically and nobody would dare say a word to (interruption) them

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say anything aye (laughter) do you think it's do you think that's a good improvement I mean or do you think things have gone too far

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I think they're yes I think they've gone a bit too far because I don't think there's the I don't think think myself there's the discipline now

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no

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in fact the eh from what I see they can sort of please themselves what they do

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yes

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such as eh that television series you know Please Sir (laughter)

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(laughter) yeah I hope it's not really like that like (laughter)

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(laughter) oh I think it is though from what I read (laughter)

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(laughter) eh

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and I mean look at the song and dance about eh about a kid oh he hasn't got to come to school till he has his hair cut and they say right he'll not go to school keep him off

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yeah

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and there you are and then (pause) that's in the news as well

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that's right aye (pause) they're always on about (unclear) (laughter)

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good g I mean when I was at school there was a place here (pause) I don't know whether it's Thompson's rents that place now or not

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aye it's down now (interruption) but I know where you mean

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it's down now well that that used to be the what they call the Abbot Memorial school

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mm-hm

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and we had a lad sent there from the class I was in I was about twelve at the time and he was sent there till he was about sixteen you know what for

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no

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he stole a book with about (pause) four or five eh (pause) war savings stamps war savings off you know off the first World War there was all these war savings stamps he pinched a book with about half a dozen those and he was sent to Abbot Memorial school (laughter) aye they give them a little caution now

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mm-hm yes yeah eh

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yes it was tough believe you me you had to be tough to survive it

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aye (pause) eh these are again just eh some questions about words you use for various things could you tell us ehm what your normal word is for each of the rooms of this house please just go through each room in turn

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normal word

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aye what do you usually call this room

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well I call this the kitchen that's the scullery there's a bathroom behin behind that

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yes

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and back bedroom front room

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mm yes

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oh I know some of them will say this is the sitting room but no that's the sitting room this is the dining room (unclear) (laughter)

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yeah you call this a kitchen so do I

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aye (laughter)

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aye eh (pause) and eh (pause) to get out of the back door you have to lift the

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that's right

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what do you call it

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the sneck

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yes yeah eh

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I never use the back door (laughter)

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(laughter) ehm (pause) and eh what do you call the thing you stand in front of the fire to get it going

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what blazer

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yes

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in my book my word it's a shovel (laughter) (unclear) (laughter)

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(laughter) eh (pause) and eh what do you call cleaning the plates and things after a meal

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cleaning the plates and that

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aye we'll just have to (pause) what do you say

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some'll say doing the washing up (laughter) oh no I'm just just washing up that's all

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washing up aye (pause) eh (pause) now eh could you tell us how you like to spend eh your free time and so on you know in the evenings and weekends how do you how do you fill in your time

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mine mostly with women (laughter)

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(laughter)

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oh I've got one or two friends and (pause) mates I go to clubs with you know

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yes you go out quite often do you

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mm-hm I go round the one or two widows too (laughter)

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(laughter) (unclear)

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(unclear) widowers makes no difference

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yes yes (pause) eh

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I used to go a lot to football and all that but I stopped that when I had the all this carry on I have now it's another example of education of the free and easy style

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aye it's too too rough and that for you

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aye

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aye it is eh (pause) are there any eh are there any things that you sort of eh wish you h could have done but you've never got round to or you've never had the chance to do

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wish I could have done

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mm

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aye I wish I could have been a millionaire (unclear) (laughter)

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yes what what sort of things do you think you would do if if you had you know if you won a lot of money tomorrow for instance you know if you won the pools you know

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I would move out of Gateshead straight away

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yes

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I would move out of the north

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yes

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in fact I might go and join my lot out in Australia

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mm yes that would be nice (pause) eh (pause) you haven't got a television

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no I had it taken out no I had it taken out oh last year

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oh

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because eh I hardly ever saw it I tell you

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aye

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I come in and I usually I'm I'm going out shortly and I get ready and then I go out different people's houses I go to as I say I go to one girl's house the T V's on there all the time and eh I thought well it's not very much use me keeping it there

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that's true

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I got it taken out I hardly ever used to see it I was paying a licence for nothing

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aye I I don't (unclear)

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well practically only time I used to see it was Saturdays eh part of Saturday afternoon

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mm-hm

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and eh Sunday afternoon

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yeah eh (pause) these are just a few questions about your eh (pause) your opinions on some ordinary matters ehm (pause) do you think that eh (pause) a young person of about sixteen should be more or less allowed to do as they want or not

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allowed to do as they want eh (pause) in what (interruption) way

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you know I mean well to stay out at nights for instance as long as they want to that sort of thing

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well (pause) I cannot say anything about it (pause) for a simple reason when I was sixteen (pause) eh I I w I started knocking round with a girlfriend I never used to get in before twelve

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yeah

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and eh (pause) the same went for for my fam I was never strict with mine

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aye

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as long as they got in reasonably you know within a reasonable time not three or four o'clock in the morning something like that but

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aye yes

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I just used to let them have their way as long as it was within reason twelve o'clock is all right as far as I'm concerned

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eh and eh going on to something different altogether eh and this is this is a question you don't have to answer if you don't want ehm which way do you vote can you tell me

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which way do I vote

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aye

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well I've voted various ways I've voted Labour and I've voted Conservative in my time

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ah you actually (interruption) (unclear)

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this last election I voted Conservative but the way things are going that's the last time I'll be voting Conservative believe me

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aye and wh what sort of things make you you know change your mind you know what

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well blimey plenty look at I mean you've just got to look at one thing what I what I I'm coming back to the practically the first question about the poverty in the north

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aye

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look at the dole queues I know a couple of blokes on the dole they tell me you can't get in the door

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mm-hm yes

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well the it's getting worse it's not improving believe me

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(unclear)

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as I've just eh told you before this fellow that worked with me two years ago he was finished

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mm

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and he was telling me on Saturday I met him in the bar at the Honeysuckle on Coatsworth Road

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aye

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and he hasn't worked since

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yes

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and he's come up he's coming up to sixty

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yeah (unclear)

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but he's a fellow that's got a bit of a he's got a bit of a pension you know and eh he's eh just him and his wife now and I expect they get about (unclear) I think they get about eight pound or something like that and he's got about three pound that makes eleven and then he's got a little bit put away you know

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aye

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so he's not too bad but there's people who are

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yeah

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who are worse off than anybody

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aye (pause) mm and you eh sort of more or less I mean you blame the present government for that in fact do you

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I am (interruption) definitely

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that's why you'll not vote for them again aye

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I mean there's never been so much unemployment since since those Jarrow marcher days believe me

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mm mm I believe (unclear)

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it's desperate and it's it's going to get worse I think and going into this Common Market business will make it worse again not for eh not for I don't say for more unemployment but (pause) for (pause) what unemployment pay they do get it'll not go anywhere near as far as it goes now and it doesn't go far now as far as I know of course some of them get as much that's got families get as much as some guys who are working

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aye yeah so you're against the Common Market as well

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I definitely am I can't see I can't see any any point

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eh and when it's (interruption)

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well it it's always been said that that everything's dearer in these countries

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yes aye food is (interruption) definitely

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foodstuffs that's what I mean well if it's dear there the corresponding price'll come here as well won't it

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aye aye definitely (interruption) (unclear)

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and it's bad enough now that your that your money doesn't go anywhere now I mean since they've brought this decimal coinage in and they're catching everybody for their buckshee halves and what not